[RicOShea]

Your one committed soldier aren't you? LOL... yup, you and Glenn Beck are going to save the world... I mean seriously dude, why don't we see extensive exposes hitting the presses on this? Oh, right, forgot... Soros controls them all... lol dude... where are my sunglasses, your tinfoil hat is blinding me!!

[WTFO]

I wish someone would come forward with the Intel you got. Because a lot of people left and right are "thinking" it's was based on a lie. I was in to during the initial phase on the C4I side. I didn't believe in what we was doing, but of course I did my job.
Anyways no WMDs no 911 connection. We took out the an enemy of Iran, that was smart!
The war was handled terribly by Paul Bremmer. His greatest mistake was disbanding the Iraqi army who in their unemployed status just joined the insurgency. Probably what I would do if some foreign power invaded my country and took my job.
As far as the Terror attacks, everybody forgets the shoe bomber which happened under Bush. The Fort Hood attack, was one of our
own, a Major for Pete's sake. The other attacks 2 we were tipped of by Muslims (NY and The one in the NW). The underwear bomber was pretty much like the shoe bomber.
The war was an EPIC FAIL. When it is all said and done it will probably have costs us trillions not to mention
over 4,000 of American dead and tons of long term and permanently wounded (amputations, PTSD etc).
Over 100,000 civilian deaths. The hundreds of photos of dead Iraqi children and the ones from Abu Grahraib have been the ultimate
terrorist recruiting tool.
It was such a huge mistake................

The reason people don't come forward with the intel is because it would expose sources and methods allowing the enemy to hide from our intel collection methods. Glad your out. If you don't believe in your mission, you're a danger to your unit and those who do understand and believe in what we do. Sincerely though, thank you for serving. It's a lot more than most liberals.

1st, NOBODY in the Bush admin stated Saddam/Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. That is a BS lie perpertuated by liberal politicians and biased media. Repeating it a thousand times doesn't make it true, it just makes you one of their 'useful idiots' for spreading the misinfo.

2nd, on the WMD: We know he had them because he used them on his own people and Iran. He was ordered to destroy them a provide proof to the UNSC which he did not. But here's the real fun part...the 'hero' of morons anarchists and liberals everywhere, Assange released an interesting bit on his Wikileaks...

"The release by Julian Assange's web site Wikileaks of classified documents reveals that U.S. military intelligence discovered chemical weapons labs, encountered insurgents who were specialists in the creation of toxins, and uncovered weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. However, Washington, DC officials and the news media have ignored this information.

One of the WikiLeaks document dumps reveals that as late as 2008, American troops continued to find WMD in the region.

There are numerous mentions of chemical and biological weapons in the WikiLeaks documents, however the U.S. media appear only interested in those portions of the leaked material that highlight actions that are viewed as embarrassing for the U.S. military..."
from http://www.examiner.com/public-safety-i ... s-invasion

Also, in case you find that source bias because it doesn't agree with the liberal BS Kool-aid you've swallowed:

"In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.

Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city."
from http://www.nypost.com/p/news/internatio ... 7AZ3RO9qnM

As far as Bremmer is concerned, I agree with you. He was a walking cluster-f%#*. Many mistakes from him.

Yes, we did take out an enemy of Iran but that isn't a huge problem if we can keep them from controlling Iraq though a shadow govt (like Syria and Jordan). Here's something that you may not have considered. We now have military forces on the West side of Iran in Iraq and the East side in Afghan. That is a strategic disadvantage for them. More importantly, if we can stabilize Iraq as a friendly nation with free trade their quality of life will be great compared to when Saddam brutalized the country (interesting that you ignore the benefit of removing a dictator and his psychotic sons so they can no longer kill their people). If Iraqis prosper, the people of Syria and Iran will notice and a movement will start to overthrow their oppressive dictators without US military involvement. We saw a spark of this during the last Iranian elections where the people rose up against a corrupt process but were beaten down in the streets. Too bad our POTUS didn't even have the courage to provide verbal support for those poor people.

I never forgot the shoe bomber, I remember every time I got TDY and send my shoes through the scanner. The point is Obama is weak on terror.

Your assertions on Iraq being a failure are merely your opinion. Your support is laughable. 1st you libs cry about $1T spend on wars (both OIF and OEF combined by the way) but turn your head as Obama spend $3.2T in just 2 years. We saved millions from Saddam's brutality, period. I mourn the loss of all of my fellow servicemen and I've been through Walter Reed and shaken the hands of wounded warriors. Most I spoke with are only sad that they can no longer fight alongside there brothers. Great men of courage and honor and we should always make sure they are taken care of. Their mission was honorable, their fight great and thier courage knows no bounds.

The numbers you post on the civilian deaths is largely disputed. Yes, war does result in collateral damage and that is unfortunate. One of the main reasons we have civilians getting injured/killed is because our cowardly enemy hids among the population and fires on forces while hiding behind women and children. However, the BS numbers you keep quoting include those the terrorists kill, unverified estimates by Iraqi doctors (several are anti-american), and insurgents themselves. The terrorists we are fighting have a tactic they like to employ that adds to your BS number. After the US military leave after killing the enemy, the remaining insurgents (cowardly hiding among innocent civilians) round up women and children, gun them down and post a video of the dead on the internet claiming it was US soldiers who committed the crime. Funny how I get this straight from my fellow servicemen (including my brothers) and the media always misses that story (yes even Fox news).

Finally, you continue to beat the BS drum that the photos and Abu Grahraib are recruiting tools. That is ignorant based on the simple fact that those did not exist (nor did Gitmo) prior to 9-11 and they were able to recruit terrorists to kill us back then. BTW, Abu Grahraib was criminal abuse of prisoners by ignorant Guardsmen and the only reason the press knew about it is because the criminals were prosecuted through Courts Martials. However, the media didn't focus on that fact but instead they kept showing the images over and over again further endangering our troops and trying to discredit the military and President Bush. The media and many liberals tend to provide aid and comfort to our enemies with their stupidity and lies. How's it feel to be on Usama Bin Ladin's side so often?

[WTFO]

Your one committed soldier aren't you? LOL... yup, you and Glenn Beck are going to save the world... I mean seriously dude, why don't we see extensive exposes hitting the presses on this? Oh, right, forgot... Soros controls them all... lol dude... where are my sunglasses, your tinfoil hat is blinding me!!

Typical pathetic liberal RoS. You can't disprove anything posted (because it's all factual) so you attack the messenger. The media doesn't report on him because they are either scared of what his wealth can do or (more likely) they largely agree with his 'US is evil' and 'new world order' views.

BTW, I'm and Airman, not a soldier. I'm surprised you need sunglasses, I figured it'd be dark with your head up your ass.

[Jrock]

Do really have alot of time today so...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZcSmsPv ... re=related

cheney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waLRhUQmw7U&NR=1




From colin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b32CpmZ ... re=related

[Jrock]

Anyways back to Soros check out his Fox interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4moR4NFTd8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-C-GT-i ... re=related

[WTFO]

The only thing your little videos point out is that intel stated Atta met with someone in the Iraqi govt. You're grasping at straws. Like I said, I know what I believe based on what I've seen. Much of that is not in public view. Also, you completely ignored the point that Wikileaks released documents that proved WMDs.

You pick your topics very selectively so you don't actually consider anything your tiny liberal mind doesn't want to hear.

[Jrock]

On WMD issue we were being sold on possible Nuclear weapons. Mustard gas though terrible is not a WMD.
Bush himself admitted it.
Seriously man you need to let it go. Iraq was a huge mistake. Admit it!

[WTFO]

Restating lies do not make them true Jrock. Straight from the United Nations Security Counsil Resolution 1441:

On September 12, 2002, U.S. President George W. Bush addressed the General Assembly and outlined a catalogue of complaints against the Iraqi government.[1] These included:

"In violation of Security Council Resolution 1373, Iraq supports terrorist organizations that direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments....And al-Qaida terrorists escaped from Afghanistan are known to be in Iraq."
Facts:
-Abdul Rahman Yasin: Indiana-born, Iraqi-reared terrorist remains wanted by the FBI for his role in the February 26, 1993 World Trade Center attack. President Bill Clinton's Justice Department indicted Yasin for mixing the chemicals in the bomb that exploded in the parking garage beneath the Twin Towers, killing six and injuring 1,042 people in New York. (Al Qeada claimed responsibility) Soon after the smoke cleared, Yasin returned to Iraq. Coalition forces have discovered documents that show he enjoyed housing and a monthly government salary.
-Abu Musab al Zarqawi. After running an al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, he found his way to Baathist Baghdad, where he reportedly checked into Olympic Hospital, an elite facility run by the late Uday Hussein, son of the captured tyrant. Zarqawi is believed to have received medical treatment for a leg injury sustained while dodging American GIs who toppled the Taliban. He convalesced in Baghdad for some two months. Once he was back on his foot, Zarqawi then opened an Ansar al-Islam terrorist training camp in northern Iraq.
-Ahmad Hikmat Shakir — an Iraqi VIP facilitator who worked at the international airport in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Citing "a foreign government service," page 340 of the Senate Intelligence Committee's report on pre-Iraq-War intelligence indicates that, "Shakir claimed he got this job through Ra'ad al-Mudaris, an Iraqi Embassy employee" in Malaysia. On January 5, 2000, Shakir greeted Khalid al Midhar and Nawaz al Hamzi at Kuala Lampur’s airport. He then escorted them to a local hotel where these September 11 hijackers met with 9/11 conspirators Ramzi bin al Shibh and Tawfiz al Atash. Five days later, according to The Weekly Standard’s Stephen Hayes, Shakir disappeared.(Khalid al Midhar and Nawaz al Hamzi subsequently spent the morning of September 11, 2001 flying American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon, killing 184 people.)
-Follow this link to see how a Clinton appointed judge ruled that Saddam and UBL should pay 9-11 families because Iraq had a hand in the attacks "though meager". http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/ ... 2868.shtml
Thus, there is abundant and undeniable evidence that Saddam Hussein provided money, diplomatic services, shelter, medical care, and training to terrorists of every stripe, including those complicit in the 1993 WTC bombing and — according to a Clinton-appointed federal judge — the September 11 attacks. The Iraqi dictator aided al-Qaeda and other global terrorists who murdered Americans, both at home and abroad.

The United Nations Commission on Human Rights in 2001 found "extremely grave" human rights violations
Facts:
-According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule". Others have estimated 800,000 deaths caused by Saddam not counting the Iran-Iraq war. Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam's regime vary from 300-500,000 to over 600,000, estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000, and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000 to 200,000. Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.
-Certainly there's much more, but that is enough to prove the point.

Iraqi production and use of weapons of mass destruction AKA: WMDs (biological weapons, chemical weapons, and long-range missiles), all in violation of U.N. resolutions.
Facts:
-Nothing mentioned about Nuclear weapons in this.
-Saddam was interested in a nuke program once the UN left to protect himself from Iran and likely threaten his neighbors again.
-Most interestingly though is this report from UN inspectors http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/wmd2.asp that claims Saddam's WMDs were shipped out of Iraq before and during the 2003 invasion

Iraq used proceeds from the "oil for food" U.N. program to purchase weapons rather than food for its people.
Facts:
-This report sums it up well http://www.theusreport.com/the-us-repor ... ion-o.html

Iraq flagrantly violated the terms of the weapons inspection program before discontinuing it altogether.
Facts:
-From ABC/Nightline--"The tapes also reveal Iraq's persistent efforts to hide information about weapons of mass destruction programs from U.N. inspectors well into the 1990s. In one pivotal tape-recorded meeting, which occurred in late April or May of 1995, Saddam and his senior aides discuss the fact that U.N. inspectors had uncovered evidence of Iraq's biological weapons program -- a program whose existence Iraq had previously denied.

At one point Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law and the man who was in charge of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction efforts can be heard on the tapes, speaking openly about hiding information from the U.N.

"We did not reveal all that we have," Kamel says in the meeting. "Not the type of weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct."
Here's the link: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Investi ... id=1616996

Following the speech, intensive negotiations began with other members of the Security Council. In particular, three permanent members (with veto power) of the Council were known to have misgivings about an invasion of Iraq: Russia, China, and France.
Interesting point on this: Russia and France were involved with the Oil-for-Food corruption listed in the link above. Why would that be important you ask? Because they both have veto power on the UNSC and would not allow a UN invasion of Iraq for fear of being discovered in the crimes with Saddam.

In summation:
-mustard gas IS a WMD as are the missiles he was developing,
-while nuke development was a concern it wasn't the sole reason for the invasion as you and liberal morons/media claim, and
-removing Saddam and his psychotic sons from Iraq before they killed hundreds of thousands more Iraqis is NOT A MISTAKE.

I've told you before, I base my positions in facts not BS.

[Jrock]

First off I'm not saying Sadam wasn't a an asshole.
- Also Abu Grahib and the like are recruiting tools now.
- One terrorist checking into a hotel is not evidence of a connection much less cause for all out war.
9/11 was planned in Munich BTW. Also there are terrorists living in every country.
- A federal judge is not qualified to make that connection.


Anyways here check this out from a former CJCS
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/iraq ... ushs-lies/

Also
1. The Dodgy Dossier: The UK Government's obviously "sexed up" (2002) report on Saddam's WMDs containing the infamous "45 minute threat": http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transc ... 041136.htm

2. Expert Testimony from the House Judiciary Committee Hearings: Executive Power & the Bush Administration (impeachment hearings): Note the books cited by the Committee Chair in the introductions to the speakers (from 2008):

a). Vincent Bugliosi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfpms98 ... 0&index=28

b). Elizabeth Holtz. See time 7:46 where the witness talks about "deceptions with respect to the Iraq War..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=e ... ohgkV53tBQ

3. The Downing Street Memos (2005) http://downingstreetmemo.com/ According to this highly placed UK memo, I quote: "the [US] intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy" so that War could be waged against Iraq.

4. US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence review of Iraq War Intelligence (June 5, 2008) http://intelligence.senate.gov/press/re ... ?id=298775 Quote: "In making the case for war, the Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated."

5. Australian Documentary "Truth, Lies and Intelligence" (from 2005) References to expert testimony on Iraq War Intelligence being fabricated: Greg Thielman, Joseph Wilson et al. The following is a short clip taken from the full length program: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztzu0G8K ... r_embedded

6: US 60 minutes Interview (2004) with ex-Bush Administration insider Paul O'Neal who stated that the Administration was looking for ways to launch a war with Iraq 10 days after the inauguration. Please ignore the sound effects on this promo clip and recognise the importance of the 60 minutes information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEZnL_VV ... r_embedded

7: NBC Keith Olbermann report on the non-profit Center for Public Integrity (google them) - tallied 935 false statements made by eight top members of the Administration in the two years after September 11th, including, obviously, the run up to the Iraq war (story from Feb 2008): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhKYc7cTZR4 One could postulate that the intelligence might have been mistaken, but as we have seen previously, in the other clips, the raw intelligence assessments did not correlate with what they were saying publicly (ie these are therefore more deliberate lies, unsubstantiated statements in conflict with intelligence facts).

[Jrock]

Look, I do believe that the world is a better place with with Saddam and his sons but they were just a few people. Did we need to go to all out war bring so much suffering and chaos to that country. It's crazy that you Cons are for small government here but for Big Government in other countries. We can't even call Iraq a true success.
It is up to a people to decide to over through their opressors just like we did. Not some foreign power. Do you think the
founding fathers would approve of the Iraq war.
Finally Iraq was no threat to us at all period. It was a secular state and will probably end up being a Shiite controlled country just like Iran.
We'll see................