Jrock wrote:I wish someone would come forward with the Intel you got. Because a lot of people left and right are "thinking" it's was based on a lie. I was in to during the initial phase on the C4I side. I didn't believe in what we was doing, but of course I did my job.
Anyways no WMDs no 911 connection. We took out the an enemy of Iran, that was smart!
The war was handled terribly by Paul Bremmer. His greatest mistake was disbanding the Iraqi army who in their unemployed status just joined the insurgency. Probably what I would do if some foreign power invaded my country and took my job.
As far as the Terror attacks, everybody forgets the shoe bomber which happened under Bush. The Fort Hood attack, was one of our
own, a Major for Pete's sake. The other attacks 2 we were tipped of by Muslims (NY and The one in the NW). The underwear bomber was pretty much like the shoe bomber.
The war was an EPIC FAIL. When it is all said and done it will probably have costs us trillions not to mention
over 4,000 of American dead and tons of long term and permanently wounded (amputations, PTSD etc).
Over 100,000 civilian deaths. The hundreds of photos of dead Iraqi children and the ones from Abu Grahraib have been the ultimate
terrorist recruiting tool.
It was such a huge mistake................
The reason people don't come forward with the intel is because it would expose sources and methods allowing the enemy to hide from our intel collection methods. Glad your out. If you don't believe in your mission, you're a danger to your unit and those who do understand and believe in what we do. Sincerely though, thank you for serving. It's a lot more than most liberals.
1st, NOBODY in the Bush admin stated Saddam/Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. That is a BS lie perpertuated by liberal politicians and biased media. Repeating it a thousand times doesn't make it true, it just makes you one of their 'useful idiots' for spreading the misinfo.
2nd, on the WMD: We know he had them because he used them on his own people and Iran. He was ordered to destroy them a provide proof to the UNSC which he did not. But here's the real fun part...the 'hero' of morons anarchists and liberals everywhere, Assange released an interesting bit on his Wikileaks...
"The release by Julian Assange's web site Wikileaks of classified documents reveals that U.S. military intelligence discovered chemical weapons labs, encountered insurgents who were specialists in the creation of toxins, and uncovered weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. However, Washington, DC officials and the news media have ignored this information.
One of the WikiLeaks document dumps reveals that as late as 2008, American troops continued to find WMD in the region.
There are numerous mentions of chemical and biological weapons in the WikiLeaks documents, however the U.S. media appear only interested in those portions of the leaked material that highlight actions that are viewed as embarrassing for the U.S. military..."
from http://www.examiner.com/public-safety-i ... s-invasion
Also, in case you find that source bias because it doesn't agree with the liberal BS Kool-aid you've swallowed:
"In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.
Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city."
from http://www.nypost.com/p/news/internatio ... 7AZ3RO9qnM
As far as Bremmer is concerned, I agree with you. He was a walking cluster-f%#*. Many mistakes from him.
Yes, we did take out an enemy of Iran but that isn't a huge problem if we can keep them from controlling Iraq though a shadow govt (like Syria and Jordan). Here's something that you may not have considered. We now have military forces on the West side of Iran in Iraq and the East side in Afghan. That is a strategic disadvantage for them. More importantly, if we can stabilize Iraq as a friendly nation with free trade their quality of life will be great compared to when Saddam brutalized the country (interesting that you ignore the benefit of removing a dictator and his psychotic sons so they can no longer kill their people). If Iraqis prosper, the people of Syria and Iran will notice and a movement will start to overthrow their oppressive dictators without US military involvement. We saw a spark of this during the last Iranian elections where the people rose up against a corrupt process but were beaten down in the streets. Too bad our POTUS didn't even have the courage to provide verbal support for those poor people.
I never forgot the shoe bomber, I remember every time I got TDY and send my shoes through the scanner. The point is Obama is weak on terror.
Your assertions on Iraq being a failure are merely your opinion. Your support is laughable. 1st you libs cry about $1T spend on wars (both OIF and OEF combined by the way) but turn your head as Obama spend $3.2T in just 2 years. We saved millions from Saddam's brutality, period. I mourn the loss of all of my fellow servicemen and I've been through Walter Reed and shaken the hands of wounded warriors. Most I spoke with are only sad that they can no longer fight alongside there brothers. Great men of courage and honor and we should always make sure they are taken care of. Their mission was honorable, their fight great and thier courage knows no bounds.
The numbers you post on the civilian deaths is largely disputed. Yes, war does result in collateral damage and that is unfortunate. One of the main reasons we have civilians getting injured/killed is because our cowardly enemy hids among the population and fires on forces while hiding behind women and children. However, the BS numbers you keep quoting include those the terrorists kill, unverified estimates by Iraqi doctors (several are anti-american), and insurgents themselves. The terrorists we are fighting have a tactic they like to employ that adds to your BS number. After the US military leave after killing the enemy, the remaining insurgents (cowardly hiding among innocent civilians) round up women and children, gun them down and post a video of the dead on the internet claiming it was US soldiers who committed the crime. Funny how I get this straight from my fellow servicemen (including my brothers) and the media always misses that story (yes even Fox news).
Finally, you continue to beat the BS drum that the photos and Abu Grahraib are recruiting tools. That is ignorant based on the simple fact that those did not exist (nor did Gitmo) prior to 9-11 and they were able to recruit terrorists to kill us back then. BTW, Abu Grahraib was criminal abuse of prisoners by ignorant Guardsmen and the only reason the press knew about it is because the criminals were prosecuted through Courts Martials. However, the media didn't focus on that fact but instead they kept showing the images over and over again further endangering our troops and trying to discredit the military and President Bush. The media and many liberals tend to provide aid and comfort to our enemies with their stupidity and lies. How's it feel to be on Usama Bin Ladin's side so often?