The Barbarian Invasion

Postby GrouchoMarxist » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:41 am




Pause the screen at 52 seconds



It's not a documentary, and it's not by a conservative. The writer and director is a French-Canadian leftist, or former leftist. But, among other things, the film is a horrifying and hilarious exposé of health care in Canada. The film is The Barbarian Invasions by Denys Arcand, and though it did well in the U.S. for a foreign picture, winning the Academy Award for Best Foreign-Language Film in 2004 and grossing over $25 million, it hasn't been seen by nearly enough people.
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Barbarian provides a vivid glimpse of what we have in store if President Obama is re-elected in November. I should perhaps at this point issue the usual "spoiler" caveat, though as it's a film about a man with terminal cancer, there isn't much of a plot to spoil. Like many good movies, it's the interactions of the characters and the ways in which relationships evolve under stress that make the story interesting.

Rémy is dying of an unspecified cancer. His ex-wife Dominique pleads with their estranged son to fly back to Quebec from London and see his father for the final time.

The source of the estrangement is clear enough from the early minutes of the film. Rémy is an outspoken socialist history professor, a libidinous devotee of the counterculture. His son, Sébastien, is an arch-capitalist, a commodities arbitrageur for a bank in the City, who "never reads a book," Rémy says disgustedly. Each heartily despises the values of the other. But it is only the son's Gordon Gekko morals -- his willingness to bribe and bully -- and his deep pockets that enable Rémy to escape the horrors of the Canadian health care system.

These are depicted in gory detail. At the start of the film, the camera follows a nurse down the hall of Rémy's hospital. Patients in various states of distress are parked in the hallway. The corridor is packed to capacity. The nurse, bearing hosts for communion, threads her way among groaning and coughing patients, carts of dirty laundry, and electricians at work. Rémy is lucky to have a room, though it has about half a dozen other patients in it, and the staff are continually confusing him with his roommates.



The hospital is ruled by its union bosses. Nothing gets done without their approval. Laptops are routinely stolen, but "lost" computers can be promptly located after bribes to the union chief.

Sébastien notices that there's an entire floor below his father's that is unused. Lying about his identity, he gets an appointment with the hospital's administrator and requests that his father be moved to a room on the empty floor. The lengthy answer he receives is a brilliant parody of health care bureaucratese. Undeterred, Sébastien offers the administrator a folder filled with $100 bills, and he promises further "reports" each week. After protests -- "we're not a third-world country!" -- the cash is accepted. The son then pays the union lavishly to refurbish the room, and Rémy now has a private suite.

Rémy's problems with the hospital continue. He is told by his doctor that he requires a PET scan, but he will have to wait at least six months. The only solution is to cross the border to the hated U.S. of A. Sébastien makes the arrangements, and the father is scanned promptly by a private clinic in Vermont that caters to Canadian "health tourists." The results are faxed to Rémy's doctor while the van is still en route back.

Sébastien makes arrangements to send his dad to a first-rate hospital in Baltimore. Rémy objects; he doesn't want to leave his friends. But none have come to visit, so Sébastien contacts them, including some of his father's former lovers, and persuades them to return to Quebec. The movie centers on the reunion of these characters, who were the subjects of Arcand's earlier The Decline of the American Empire. They are all ex-radicals and ex-sexual revolutionaries. Their reminiscences are bittersweet. They are able to laugh at their infatuation with successive leftist "isms" and are even embarrassed by their embrace of the Cultural Revolution in China. And they recognize how their promiscuity alienated their children. But they don't grasp the extent of their legacy. And they don't comment on how their politics eviscerated an efficient and compassionate health care system in Canada.

There are some other sharp social and cultural observations in the film. Sébastien's antique-dealer fiancée has accompanied him back to Quebec. In a moving scene, she visits a vast basement in which statues, chalices, monstrances, etc. from the city's abandoned churches are stored. The old priest who accompanies her tells her that Quebec was once like Spain or Ireland, and then, suddenly, sometime in 1966, people stopped going to church. The fiancée has to tell the priest that there is nothing of value for the firm she works for. The camera rolls slowly down the rows of discarded virgins and saints, much as it rolled down the hospital corridor packed with discarded patients.

You can read all you want about the conditions in Canadian hospitals or the wait-times for procedures that can be performed within 24 hours in the U.S. But there is nothing like seeing the horrors in living color.

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Like I said.... Canadian Health Care is the best in the world until you need it.
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Re: The Barbarian Invasion

Postby Mooooooooooooooooooo » Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:11 am

And you base your conclusions on a film by a leftist French Canadian?...That shows you know nothing about our country and especially the French in our country.


Last year my Mother in law was diagnosed with cancer (she'd been hiding her illness for years) She was immediately admitted into a palliative care ward and offered EVERY possible treatment. Sadly we lost her because she refused treatment.

When my father had cancer his surgery took place 16 days after diagnosis.

My uncle has been battling cancer for a year and has never waited for treatment or surgery.

I could go on.

And let me point out that None of these treatments or surgeries cost anyone ANYTHING.




The French in this country are just a bunch of entitled children that have been fighting the Anglo government for 200 years. They take every opportunity to come down on the system and point out ANY flaw.

Yes we have some overworked and understaffed hospitals, but I have NEVER known anyone that waited any substantial amount of time for treatment or surgery. This film is a gross misrepresentation of what our health care system is like.


I can walk into any hospital in any province with a broken arm and walk back out a few hours later with a cast and no bill.....can your system do that?



I see the flaws in obamacare and our own system, but they are not the same....you need to stop believing everything you hear.
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Re: The Barbarian Invasion

Postby KALKAM » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:44 am

Moooo,
My condolences.

The only thing that bugged me was the "16 days" between diagnosis and surgery. If it's personal and none of my business please don't answer...if it's OK though I would like to know why?

My dad had a heart problem show up during a routine check up...elective surgery was 36 hours later. The only reason it wasn't the next day was because he "needed a day"...pretty much in case he didn't make it he wanted to see everyone again.

I pay...but it's worth it. The biggest reason for our costs are simply...lawyers! A 350lb guy has a bad heart surgery and the family sues for malpractice.

Time was you go to the doctor for a sprained ankle, he checked it, said you have a sprain and stay off of it. Now you get an MRI because he doesn't want to risk misdiagnosing it.

What you brought about the French and Anglos...curious about this. From afar I always painted it as the French are your version of our left. Am I right?

What were your views on the proposed succession years back?
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Re: The Barbarian Invasion

Postby crankyhead » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:14 pm

Seriously Groucho, your head does not belong up your butt, now matter how much you want to keep putting it up there.
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Re: The Barbarian Invasion

Postby Mooooooooooooooooooo » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:32 pm

KALKAM wrote:Moooo,
My condolences.

The only thing that bugged me was the "16 days" between diagnosis and surgery. If it's personal and none of my business please don't answer...if it's OK though I would like to know why?


It wasn't a very serious cancer and we lived in the sticks, The closest hospital was an hour and they weren't equipped. He ended up at a hospital 3 hours away. this was not the systems fault, It was our choice to live in the middle of nowhere.

My dad had a heart problem show up during a routine check up...elective surgery was 36 hours later. The only reason it wasn't the next day was because he "needed a day"...pretty much in case he didn't make it he wanted to see everyone again.

Sorry about your Dad, I hope he was OK.

In our case If it had been an emergency he would have been admitted the same day. There were people who's problems were a bigger priority. (to be fair, this was 25 years ago)


I pay...but it's worth it. The biggest reason for our costs are simply...lawyers! A 350lb guy has a bad heart surgery and the family sues for malpractice.

Time was you go to the doctor for a sprained ankle, he checked it, said you have a sprain and stay off of it. Now you get an MRI because he doesn't want to risk misdiagnosing it.


That is one of the biggest problems in the U.S...frivolous lawsuits.


What you brought about the French and Anglos...curious about this. From afar I always painted it as the French are your version of our left. Am I right?

They generally lean to the left, but it's more a problem of culture than politics. Hard feelings from the past.

What were your views on the proposed succession years back?


My view?...Good riddance! The only problem there is the way it would geographically divide the country and the certainty that they would just come running back after a few years. FYI. I say this being half french myself. It's not racist...Quebecers have some sort of ridiculous provincial hippie attitude that they believe makes them better than the rest of the country. Like....some Californians maybe?(that's the impression I get)
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Re: The Barbarian Invasion

Postby KALKAM » Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:07 pm

Actually that does sound a lot like our left! A LOT!

See if we Americanized your system you would start hating it quickly, suing is a part of healthcare!

A commercial like this will appear constantly in the US.

Disappointed with your health? You may be a victim of malpractice...call now!


Go into a doctor because you have say....I don't know, make up any routine thing you want....you will get tests, tests, and more tests.
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Re: The Barbarian Invasion

Postby GrouchoMarxist » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:11 pm

crankyhead wrote:Seriously Groucho, your head does not belong up your butt, now matter how much you want to keep putting it up there.


You either need to spit or swallow. You're foaming ...
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Re: The Barbarian Invasion

Postby GrouchoMarxist » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:12 pm

A leftist French Canadian?

I fear we struck another nerve with the sucking canucks
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Re: The Barbarian Invasion

Postby Mooooooooooooooooooo » Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:33 pm

GrouchoMarxist wrote:A leftist French Canadian?

I fear we struck another nerve with the sucking canucks





Who's we?....you're the only one around here being disrespectful. I've managed to have rational interactions with everyone here except you.


I've made an effort to learn about your country. Maybe you could try doing the same instead of just attacking us.
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Re: The Barbarian Invasion

Postby GrouchoMarxist » Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:00 am

Mooooooooooooooooooo wrote:
GrouchoMarxist wrote:A leftist French Canadian?

I fear we struck another nerve with the sucking canucks





Who's we?....you're the only one around here being disrespectful. I've managed to have rational interactions with everyone here except you.


I've made an effort to learn about your country. Maybe you could try doing the same instead of just attacking us.

Liberals taught everything I know abouit civility
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