Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby KALKAM » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:11 pm

crankyhead wrote:
KALKAM wrote:Does DCA really work? Or is it a sometimes yes, sometimes no thing?



That's pretty much a description for every medical procedure/treatment that exists KAL.


True, but I am asking if people with Cancer are getting cured...like do you know any? Because I never heard of this until you posted it.

Last time I heard there was a cure for cancer was when Eddie Van Halen claimed to have cured it...he was on a lot of crystal meth at the time though.
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby GrandpaGreer » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:26 pm

Back to the subject of CAGW...
I've always liked this chart presentation from Anthony Watts (WATTSUPWITHTHAT.COM) that puts the hockey stick in perspective.

This link explains the chart:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/12/h ... -of-scale/

This link goes right to the rotating charts:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress. ... i-def3.gif
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby GrandpaGreer » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:33 pm

KALKAM wrote:
crankyhead wrote:
KALKAM wrote:Does DCA really work? Or is it a sometimes yes, sometimes no thing?



That's pretty much a description for every medical procedure/treatment that exists KAL.


True, but I am asking if people with Cancer are getting cured...like do you know any? Because I never heard of this until you posted it.

Last time I heard there was a cure for cancer was when Eddie Van Halen claimed to have cured it...he was on a lot of crystal meth at the time though.

Maybe Crystal Meth is the cure! Damn! Those freaks are gonna outlive me!
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby crankyhead » Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:50 am

KALKAM wrote:True, but I am asking if people with Cancer are getting cured...like do you know any? Because I never heard of this until you posted it.


You honestly believe that the University of Alberta is involved in a hoax, designed to deprive cancer patients of legitimate treatment?
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby KALKAM » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:49 am

GrandpaGreer wrote:Back to the subject of CAGW...
I've always liked this chart presentation from Anthony Watts (WATTSUPWITHTHAT.COM) that puts the hockey stick in perspective.

This link explains the chart:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/12/h ... -of-scale/

This link goes right to the rotating charts:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress. ... i-def3.gif


Humanity has been doing it for a long time! Who knew?




crankyhead wrote:
KALKAM wrote:True, but I am asking if people with Cancer are getting cured...like do you know any? Because I never heard of this until you posted it.


You honestly believe that the University of Alberta is involved in a hoax, designed to deprive cancer patients of legitimate treatment?


No...I am seriously asking. Have you spoken with people that have had experience with it?

When it comes to matters of life and death, health procedures, and things like that I need to ask as many people as possible.

I still ask people about laser eye surgery....
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby arnnatz » Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:31 am

If you believe in snopes, they have mixed feelings on the authenticity of DCA as a cure for cancer.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/cancercure.asp

There are instances where DCA protects the cancer cells rather than destroys them:
http://www.cancerletters.info/article/S0304-3835(10)00251-X/abstract

It does appear to offer the potential for better treatment, but it still is looking at about 60% positive response rate (according to the papers from Medicor where the clinical studies are being performed) and it depends on the type of cancer and the patient involved.

http://www.medicorcancer.com/dca-data.html

So, my opinion from reading the above and some other articles, is:
1. DCA is NOT a cure for all forms of cancer, not is it a cure for all patients with the same form of cancer
2. Until the clinical trials are completed (big pharma won't put money in to aid in the trials since they make so much off chemotherapy - so it could take a lot longer to get verified results), the claim that "a cure for cancer has been found" is premature
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby HSHendy » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:06 pm

Take a look at Al Gore's [url]Inconvenient Truth[/url]. Those "Ice cliff" he put in the begining are from [url]The Day After Tomorrow[/url]. All reasearch I have seen and read about global warming or Climate change plays to the persons emotions. I have yet to find evidence of it, thus it is unproven to me.
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby Bull » Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:09 am

In the past 30 days there has been over 4500 record breaking temperatures across the U.S. Record breaking .. like sh*t's never been this hot in recorded history. Not to mention the wildfires in Colorado that are the worst in state history. Two weeks ago the most powerful derecho (google it) on record swept through the mideast from Illinois to Virginia causing major power outages, millions in damage and killing 26 people.

Let's see ... There was a powerful late-season cold front that moved through Nevada dropping the temperature from a record high of 90° on June 3rd to a record low of 24° on June 5th at Eureka, Nevada. For the first time known in June measureable snow was reported.

In Brazil a record June temperature of 101 was recorded at Oeras, Piau State and was also the warmest temperature measured in the southern hemisphere during the month of June.

Britain suffered its wettest and cloudiness June on record since at least 1910. Record flooding also occurred all across the Isles.

Sonnblick, Austria (a mountain top weather station situated at about 10,200 feet) measured its warmest temperature on record of 59.5°on June 30th.

Karoi, Zimbabwe recorded a record temperature of 34.9°on June 12th, an all-time cold record for June.

A heat wave swept across the Middle East as well. Mecca, Saudi Arabia recorded a temperature of 124.5° on June 2nd. This was also the hottest temperature measured in the world during the month. Iraq and Kuwait came close with 122.9° and 123.6° respectively. Kakinada and Bhubaneswar (India) also broke their heat records with 117.3°and 116.1°in June.

Northern India and Bangladesh have had a most devastating monsoon season this June. Over 2000 villages have been flooded and at least 190 deaths reported so far. Almost 20 million people in all have been displaced. Flash floods also struck northern Afghanistan killing 37 and southern China between June 20-30 resulting in the deaths of 50-100.

The Korean Peninsula continues to endure its worst drought in at least 105 years. In poverty-stricken North Korea two-thirds of the 24 million population are facing chronic food shortages.

Australia and New Zealand both experienced fairly unusual cold weather and extreme rainfall during June.

The coldest temperature in the southern hemisphere and the world was recorded at -114.5°on June 11th in Vostok, Antarctica.
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Now this could be the earth's axis tilting more erratically than ever before ... or perhaps earth's orbit around the sun is changing ... but my money's on global temperatures rising due to man made influences or natural fluctuation.

But it's ok that you don't believe. The planet will be just fine, it's been here for billions of years and will be here for billions more sustaining life of all shapes and sizes. It's our weak, pathetic asses that will be screwed. Personally, I hope this climate trend continues and a major global event brings the human race to near extinction because I f*cking hate people. That movie The Day After Tomorrow almost gave me wood.
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby arnnatz » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:54 am

bull wrote: Personally, I hope this climate trend continues and a major global event brings the human race to near extinction because I f*cking hate people.


"Suicide is Painless" by Johnny Mandel
M*A*S*H

Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...

[chorus]:

That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.

I try to find a way to make
all our little joys relate
without that ever-present hate
but now I know that it's too late, and...

[Chorus]

The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.

[Chorus]

The only way to win is cheat
And lay it down before I'm beat
and to another give my seat
for that's the only painless feat.

[Chorus]

MASH
The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but...

[Chorus]

A brave man once requested me
to answer questions that are key
'is it to be or not to be'
and I replied 'oh why ask me?'

'Cause suicide is painless
it brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
...and you can do the same thing if you choose.
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby GrandpaGreer » Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:33 am

Bull wrote:In the past 30 days there has been over 4500 record breaking temperatures across the U.S. Record breaking .. like sh*t's never been this hot in recorded history. Not to mention the wildfires in Colorado that are the worst in state history. Two weeks ago the most powerful derecho (google it) on record swept through the mideast from Illinois to Virginia causing major power outages, millions in damage and killing 26 people.

"google it"...what? Did you have to google it so you thought everyone has to google it?
Mr. Bull, your list left out that it was one of the coldest June in Scandinavia. You could take samples of many years of every decade going back through history and create a similar list. Extremes, like sh*t, happens.
Half of America experienced above normal temperatures in June, while the other half was actually below normal...so what? The Green Weenies tell us that weather is not climate anytime a big blizzard hits or we have an unseasonably cold winter. It cracks me up when we have a hot day or season or year that fits their AGW agenda and they say, "See?".
The warmest decade on record in America was the 1930's. Twenty-two of our now fifty states recorded their highest temperatures ever during the 30's...most if not all of those records that were not broken this June. This was before the AGW folks say that the CO2 started affecting the temps.
Between 1850 and 1998, there has been an increase in the average global temperature of only 1.1 degree Fahrenheit (.7 degrees Celsius); 88 percent of that warming occurred before 1940.
Phil Jones, Hockey-Stick Michael Mann's buddy at the center of the 2009 Climategate email scandal, finally admitted in 2010 that over the last 15 years there has been no “statistically significant” warming...but he is standing strong on AGW...nay, CAGW, by God!
Extreme weather events are part of the predictions of advocates of AGW. They called for bigger and more hurricanes every year for years until this year, when they thought it best to dial it back. The spring tornado season for the US was 25 percent of normal, and the current hurricane season is also trending abnormally low...wise move on their part to dial it back, then, eh?

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There are contradictions in both of the following paragraphs.

Now this could be the earth's axis tilting more erratically than ever before ... or perhaps earth's orbit around the sun is changing ... but my money's on global temperatures rising due to man made influences or natural fluctuation.

Axis tilt and orbit change are easily verifiable. You don't list the sun's influence as a possible driver of a hot June, though. Curious. So, then your money is on either AGW or natural fluctuation...wow...you are really putting yourself out there on that one. Do you bet on every horse at the track, too?

But it's ok that you don't believe. The planet will be just fine, it's been here for billions of years and will be here for billions more sustaining life of all shapes and sizes. It's our weak, pathetic asses that will be screwed. Personally, I hope this climate trend continues and a major global event brings the human race to near extinction because I f*cking hate people. That movie The Day After Tomorrow almost gave me wood.

Not sure what you're saying in the last paragraph, either. "The planet will be fine...sustaining life of all shapes and sizes." But that somehow doesn't include us..."our weak, pathetic asses will be screwed"? So, will the planet be fine or not?
And you hate people? I have heard that before many times and it baffles me. People are friggin awesome! We rock! I am assuming because you are discussing this stuff, or any stuff, that you are people, too. Is this self-loathing or do you really not believe that you are one of us? Are you one of those folks that support abortions of those hated people? Are you one of those folks who value animal life over human life? BTW, if that movie almost gave you wood, then Inconvenient Truth must have been like porn for you. Tell the truth, you covered the Farrah Fawcet poster on your bedroom wall with one of Al Gore, didn't you? Do you have to wipe it off now and then? Is that Woody Allen on your ceiling?
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