The Obama Campaign's Lawsuit Against Ohio

Postby thatmfguy » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:08 pm

Here is an article from a non-partisan source: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/08/ap-military-groups-oppose-obama-suit-ohio-080212/

Here is the actual lawsuit: http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/ObamaForAmericaVHusted.php


Here is the Motion To Intervene from a number of veteran and military organizations that are generally non-partisan. http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/MilitaryGroupsMotiontoIntervene.pdf


I just wanted to put info out there from neutral sources, rather than MSNBC, FOX, BreitBart of DailyKos which all have added spin to it.


I will type up a brief, somewhat non-biased synopsis of the whole fiasco later.
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Re: The Obama Campaign's Lawsuit Against Ohio

Postby thatmfguy » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:38 pm

So Obama For America and Ohio Dems have filed a lawsuit against Ohio regarding the state's voting laws which give military personnel and their families a few extra days for voting, because it isn't fair and in their opinion, unconstitutional. Under the law, families of armed forces members and civilians overseas can cast early votes through the Monday before an election, while early voting for all other Ohio residents ends on the preceding Friday.

While it may not seem on it's face to be an attempt to disenfranchise military voters, it does indeed have serious potential to do so and presents a clear threat to laws protecting military voters in Ohio. The lawsuit seems to be aiming for an "all or nothing" outcome, meaning that they want ALL voters to be entitled to the extension military voters get, or nobody getting to early vote at all.

According to the National Defense Committee, "[f]or each of the last three years, the Department of Defense’s Federal Voting Assistance Program has reported to the President and the Congress that the number one reason for military voter disenfranchisement is inadequate time to successfully vote." So obviously, this lawsuit has the potential to make this even worse.


Now, let's look at Ohio's voting laws and the laws regarding early voting for military personnel. The state is actually required by federal law (Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voter Act) to provide uniformed and overseas military families early, in-person access to voting booths through the day before the election. Ohio's voting laws allow voting in person 35 days before the election or they can mail their absentee ballot anytime. The problems that many on the left keep bringing up were supposedly during the 2004 election, and since then Ohio has implemented a no-fault absentee voting and a month of early, in-person voting (as well as a no photo-ID law), so the Obama campaign's claim that hundreds of thousands of voter's would be "disenfranchised" by not being able to vote those three extra days that military voters are given (under federal law, mind you) is nonsense.

That is as close to unbiased as I can put it. I haven't added any spin, just facts.

In my personal opinion, it's a ploy by the campaign to limit the votes of a predominantly Republican voting group in a key battle ground state. That, and a continuation of an ongoing pissing match between state and national Republicans and Democrats.
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Re: The Obama Campaign's Lawsuit Against Ohio

Postby KALKAM » Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:05 pm

Weird...the armed forces doesn't have a public union...no special exemptions for them?

It can't be that military personnel tend to lean right...can it?

I like the all or nothing position...either we all get exemptions from CommieCare like the public unions and elected SERVANTS or nobody does.

Who would disagree with that?



A lot of nonsense happens with voting.

In Brooklyn we had many that didn't speak the language...so they got "help"..."vote for this guy...here, I'll punch the tabs for you" (2010 was the first time that silly push tab---->scantron thing was used).

The government assistance "brokers" (people who help immigrants and the poor get every freebie available) register them to vote, fill out their party affiliation and instruct them how to vote.

I'm in Brooklyn right now and was talking with a guy I know who does this for a living (helps people fill out all their govt freebie forms) and he gave me some interesting info...

Florida is insane!!!! Man...I was shocked with the voting scams....many condo/townhouse developments for the elderly...Sunrise Lakes is huge...all have to be over 50 and the voting is organized...."assistance" is provided.

For those that are in "nursing homes" it's just blatant.

Back during the 2000 election (I was not a Florida voter then) a bunch of votes were challenged on the grounds that the raisin ranch knew all those votes were supposed to be for Gore but were all cast for Nader....

How on earth would you know everyone voted for Nader but meant to vote for Gore? How???

Yep...it's a loaded question.

I should disclose that I voted for Gore in 2000.
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Re: The Obama Campaign's Lawsuit Against Ohio

Postby crankyhead » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:27 am

Would either of you be opposed to Ohio extending the date for civilians to that same Monday?
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Re: The Obama Campaign's Lawsuit Against Ohio

Postby KALKAM » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:43 am

crankyhead wrote:Would either of you be opposed to Ohio extending the date for civilians to that same Monday?



Would you be opposed to extending the CommieCare exemption to civilians and not just public unions?
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Re: The Obama Campaign's Lawsuit Against Ohio

Postby thatmfguy » Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:04 am

crankyhead wrote:Would either of you be opposed to Ohio extending the date for civilians to that same Monday?



Based on what reasoning? The Federal law that gives that time to the military only because military voters historically have problems finding adequate time to get their votes counted.

Ohio civilians already have ample time to early vote...


That's why it's pretty clear that this is either A) an attempt to get the early voting struck down, period, leaving military voters (who as a majority lean right and have been bumping Romney ahead in polls) at a serious disadvantage in a KEY battleground state, or B) Just another tit-for-tat pissing match between campaigns and state parties.


My guess is C), a little of both. And I say that as someone who doesn't support Romney OR Obama.
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Re: The Obama Campaign's Lawsuit Against Ohio

Postby arnnatz » Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:17 am

KALKAM wrote:
crankyhead wrote:Would either of you be opposed to Ohio extending the date for civilians to that same Monday?



Would you be opposed to extending the CommieCare exemption to civilians and not just public unions?


or to government "workers" (senators, representatives, white house, etc)
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Re: The Obama Campaign's Lawsuit Against Ohio

Postby GrouchoMarxist » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:10 am

crankyhead wrote:Would either of you be opposed to Ohio extending the date for civilians to that same Monday?



Would you mind getting to vote while being shot at by the Taliban?
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Re: The Obama Campaign's Lawsuit Against Ohio

Postby crankyhead » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:41 am

Seriously though, is anyone opposed to extending the limit to Monday for everyone?
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Re: The Obama Campaign's Lawsuit Against Ohio

Postby KALKAM » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:03 am

crankyhead wrote:Seriously though, is anyone opposed to extending the limit to Monday for everyone?



I am being serious...shouldn't the Obamacare exemption apply to everyone and not just the public unions that endorse him?

Then we can discuss if Military personnel might need more time to vote for their Commander in Chief...
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