[WTFO]

The fact that the Obama admin has released info for political gain is a disgrace and cost lives.



Disclosure of classified info kills servicemembers, period!

[oneguy]

The fact that the Obama admin has released info for political gain is a disgrace and cost lives.

Disclosure of classified info kills servicemembers, period!

(video omitted because it's in the OP)

This is complete partisan bullshit that's politically motivated and every one of these guys are Republicans and several of them have run for office AS Republicans and also several have served as staff in Republican political campaigns.

IF you want to see something about leaking classified information for political gain, and destroying classified operations, and in keeping with that... lying about facts to start a war where thousands of US service members were killed thousands more were wounded and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians were killed and displaced and also caused relatively multicultural, relatively modern and relatively moderate Middle Eastern government and society to be replaced by an Islamic Republic continue reading:

Valerie Plame

The Plame Affair (also known as the CIA leak scandal, the CIA leak case, the CIA leak grand jury investigation, and Plamegate) involved the identification of Valerie Plame Wilson as a covert Central Intelligence Agency officer by Richard Armitage. Mrs. Wilson's relationship with the CIA was formerly classified information. The disclosure was made in a Washington Post column titled "Mission to Niger" written by Robert Novak, and published on July 14, 2003.

Mrs. Wilson's husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, has stated his opinion in various interviews and subsequent writings (as listed in his 2004 memoir The Politics of Truth) that members of former President George W. Bush's administration revealed Mrs. Wilson's covert status as retribution for his op-ed titled "What I Didn't Find in Africa," published in The New York Times on July 6, 2003.

Department of Justice investigation

Following the disclosure, on September 16, 2003, the CIA sent a letter to the United States Department of Justice (DoJ), requesting a criminal investigation of the matter. On September 29, 2003, the Department of Justice advised the CIA that it had requested an FBI investigation into the matter.

On September 30, 2003, President Bush said that if there had been "a leak" from his administration about Plame, "I want to know who it is... and if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of."[17] Initially, the White House denied that Karl Rove, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff, and Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff of Vice President d*** Cheney, were involved in the leak.

Attorney General John Ashcroft referred the matter to the U.S. Department of Justice Office of Special Counsel, directed by Patrick Fitzgerald, who convened a grand jury. The CIA leak grand jury investigation did not result in the indictment or conviction of anyone for any crime in connection with the leak itself. However, Libby was indicted on one count of obstruction of justice, one count of perjury, and three counts making false statements to the grand jury and federal investigators on October 28, 2005. Libby resigned hours after the indictment.

United States v. Libby

The federal trial United States v. Libby began on January 16, 2007. On March 6, 2007, Libby was convicted on four counts, and was acquitted of one count of making false statements. Libby was sentenced to 30 months in prison, a fine of US$250,000, and two years of supervised release after his prison term.
After the verdict, Special Counsel Fitzgerald stated that he did not expect anyone else to be charged in the case: "We're all going back to our day jobs." On July 2, 2007, President Bush commuted Libby's jail sentence, effectively erasing the 30 months he was supposed to spend in jail. The federal felony conviction, probation and fines still remain.
In March 2008, the Government Accountability Office revealed that the investigation had cost $2.58 million. The GAO also reported that "this matter is now concluded for all practical purposes."

Furthermore Bush said on more than one occasion, in public and on video, that he wasn't trying to get OBL and that it wasn't a priority for him.

Leaks from any source are not good and should be rooted out and prosecuted, but let's just be clear about the real reasons these guys made this video and who exactly has been proven to have used leaks exposing real life secret operations for political gain and has lied to the American People about not only the leak itself but also lied about intelligence in order to start an unfunded war.

And before anyone starts....

Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald affirmed that Plame "was a CIA officer from January 1, 2002, forward" and that "her association with the CIA was classified at that time through July 2003 . Due to the nature of her clandestine work for the CIA, many details about Plame's professional career are still classified , but it is documented that she worked for the CIA in a clandestine capacity relating to counter-proliferation.

[arnnatz]

On the valerie plame incident: while outing an agent is inexcusable, you neglected to address John Kirakou (a senior aide to John Kerry)


The Justice Department on Monday (January 23, 2012) charged a former CIA officer with repeatedly leaking classified information, including the identities of agency operatives involved in the capture and interrogation of alleged terrorists. Kiriakou worked for Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) as a Senate Foreign Relations Committee investigator from March 2009 to April 2011, according to Senate records.

These leaks were to Al Qaeda prisoners in Quantamo and included photos of FBI and CIA agents.

In July of 2005, John Kerry blew the cover of CIA secret operative Fulton Armstrong during confirmation hearings for U.N. ambassador nominee John Bolton.

[WTFO]

The fact that the Obama admin has released info for political gain is a disgrace and cost lives.

Disclosure of classified info kills servicemembers, period!

(video omitted because it's in the OP)

This is complete partisan bullshit that's politically motivated and every one of these guys are Republicans and several of them have run for office AS Republicans and also several have served as staff in Republican political campaigns.

IF you want to blah, blah, blah, BS, BS and more liberal stupidity and conspiracy theories.

Thanks for the typical liberal stupidity in response. You don't dare discuss the facts these men expose. It's much easier to attack them personally (which truly displays to ignorance and arrogance since each of these men dedicated their lives to the defense of this nation through special operations and intelligence service). The reason some of them are Republicans is because they are intelligent and understand that Democratic theories are dangerous to national security. Then you launch into another tactic of the ignorant liberal left, that is to distract from the topic by pointing at other events that you think show that others have done the same thing. Here's something that you probably won't understand (because you stand on party instead of principle): leaks of classified information from one party doesn't excuse leaks of classified information from the other party. They are both equally dangerous to servicemembers, and those responsible need to be brought to justice.

You will never understand the truth about national security or the intel community since you haven't lived that life. You just keep believing your liberal blogs and what you see in Hollywood, while people like them protect your freedom to spout hate against them. So run along little hater-troll, the adults are talking here.

[oneguy]

On the valerie plame incident: while outing an agent is inexcusable, you neglected to address John Kirakou (a senior aide to John Kerry)


The Justice Department on Monday (January 23, 2012) charged a former CIA officer with repeatedly leaking classified information, including the identities of agency operatives involved in the capture and interrogation of alleged terrorists. Kiriakou worked for Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) as a Senate Foreign Relations Committee investigator from March 2009 to April 2011, according to Senate records.

These leaks were to Al Qaeda prisoners in Quantamo and included photos of FBI and CIA agents.

In July of 2005, John Kerry blew the cover of CIA secret operative Fulton Armstrong during confirmation hearings for U.N. ambassador nominee John Bolton.

I'm not familiar with the incident(s) so I'll have to read up on it to comment other than to say if it wasn't (they weren't?) accidental then someone probably needs to go to jail.

However the purpose of the video is obviously primarily to just slam Obama and make false claims that he's claiming sole credit for getting OBL, which is not the case and that's demonstrated by the tone of some of the speakers and their partisan affiliation.

If they want to talk about leaks and be credible then they need something resembling an equal number of Reps/Dems and cut out the harsh tone of statements like "President Obama, you didn't kill Osama bin Ladin", and not to release the vid in the middle of a political campaign. If this was an issue they should have come forth sooner or in a different way with a different tone.

[oneguy]

The fact that the Obama admin has released info for political gain is a disgrace and cost lives.

Disclosure of classified info kills servicemembers, period!

(video omitted because it's in the OP)

This is complete partisan bullshit that's politically motivated and every one of these guys are Republicans and several of them have run for office AS Republicans and also several have served as staff in Republican political campaigns.

IF you want to blah, blah, blah, BS, BS and more liberal stupidity and conspiracy theories.

Thanks for the typical liberal stupidity in response. You don't dare discuss the facts these men expose. It's much easier to attack them personally (which truly displays to ignorance and arrogance since each of these men dedicated their lives to the defense of this nation through special operations and intelligence service). The reason some of them are Republicans is because they are intelligent and understand that Democratic theories are dangerous to national security. Then you launch into another tactic of the ignorant liberal left, that is to distract from the topic by pointing at other events that you think show that others have done the same thing. Here's something that you probably won't understand (because you stand on party instead of principle): leaks of classified information from one party doesn't excuse leaks of classified information from the other party. They are both equally dangerous to servicemembers, and those responsible need to be brought to justice.

You will never understand the truth about national security or the intel community since you haven't lived that life. You just keep believing your liberal blogs and what you see in Hollywood, while people like them protect your freedom to spout hate against them. So run along little hater-troll, the adults are talking here.

Yeah, thanks for the typical teabagger idiotic bullshit.... you don't dare discuss the fact that these guys are just trying to use their service as an excuse to slam the President and for no other reason at all except to attempt to influence the election and that all that proves is that some people in the service can be dirtbags, too.

You'll never understand the truth about anything, ever... no matter what the subject. It you were shot in the head in combat serving the country I could support your ignorance and stupidity as having been because you tried to serve your country, otherwise you're just another dumbass teabrain.

f*** you, no one made you the arbiter of who is an "adult"..... no go play "army" little boy.

[Bull]

I saw that video ... and I watched several news organizations discredit the people that created it. INCLUDING FOX.

What's say we talk about this sudden rash of gun violence sweeping the nation? Whether or not it's an actual escalation or is it just the media is now reporting it harder. And what should be done about it? Stricter gun laws or more lax? That would be a good topic for discussion instead of these topics that are just meant to anger one side and misinform the other.

[KALKAM]

I saw that video ... and I watched several news organizations discredit the people that created it. INCLUDING FOX.

What's say we talk about this sudden rash of gun violence sweeping the nation? Whether or not it's an actual escalation or is it just the media is now reporting it harder. And what should be done about it? Stricter gun laws or more lax? That would be a good topic for discussion instead of these topics that are just meant to anger one side and misinform the other.

It's helping ratings....somewhere out there a terror plot is in the works...but it doesn't get the viewers it once did.

There was one by the Empire State Building today...Real strict gun laws in NYC...so the innocent bystanders had no choice but to scurry.

There will always be sickos...


Here are 3 questions I pose to people...it may sound like I am about to tell a despicable joke but it's not..

How do you get 6 million people into an oven?

Answer: find 6 million unarmed people

How do ensalve a race?

Answer: get them unarmed

How do you wipe out an indigenous people?

Answer: Outgun them.


In a free society sickos have the freedom to destroy lives...that's one of the prices we pay.

[thatmfguy]

The fact that the Obama admin has released info for political gain is a disgrace and cost lives.

Disclosure of classified info kills servicemembers, period!

(video omitted because it's in the OP)

This is complete partisan bullshit that's politically motivated and every one of these guys are Republicans and several of them have run for office AS Republicans and also several have served as staff in Republican political campaigns.

IF you want to see something about leaking classified information for political gain, and destroying classified operations, and in keeping with that... lying about facts to start a war where thousands of US service members were killed thousands more were wounded and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians were killed and displaced and also caused relatively multicultural, relatively modern and relatively moderate Middle Eastern government and society to be replaced by an Islamic Republic continue reading:

Valerie Plame

The Plame Affair (also known as the CIA leak scandal, the CIA leak case, the CIA leak grand jury investigation, and Plamegate) involved the identification of Valerie Plame Wilson as a covert Central Intelligence Agency officer by Richard Armitage. Mrs. Wilson's relationship with the CIA was formerly classified information. The disclosure was made in a Washington Post column titled "Mission to Niger" written by Robert Novak, and published on July 14, 2003.

Mrs. Wilson's husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, has stated his opinion in various interviews and subsequent writings (as listed in his 2004 memoir The Politics of Truth) that members of former President George W. Bush's administration revealed Mrs. Wilson's covert status as retribution for his op-ed titled "What I Didn't Find in Africa," published in The New York Times on July 6, 2003.

Department of Justice investigation

Following the disclosure, on September 16, 2003, the CIA sent a letter to the United States Department of Justice (DoJ), requesting a criminal investigation of the matter. On September 29, 2003, the Department of Justice advised the CIA that it had requested an FBI investigation into the matter.

On September 30, 2003, President Bush said that if there had been "a leak" from his administration about Plame, "I want to know who it is... and if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of."[17] Initially, the White House denied that Karl Rove, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff, and Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff of Vice President d*** Cheney, were involved in the leak.

Attorney General John Ashcroft referred the matter to the U.S. Department of Justice Office of Special Counsel, directed by Patrick Fitzgerald, who convened a grand jury. The CIA leak grand jury investigation did not result in the indictment or conviction of anyone for any crime in connection with the leak itself. However, Libby was indicted on one count of obstruction of justice, one count of perjury, and three counts making false statements to the grand jury and federal investigators on October 28, 2005. Libby resigned hours after the indictment.

United States v. Libby

The federal trial United States v. Libby began on January 16, 2007. On March 6, 2007, Libby was convicted on four counts, and was acquitted of one count of making false statements. Libby was sentenced to 30 months in prison, a fine of US$250,000, and two years of supervised release after his prison term.
After the verdict, Special Counsel Fitzgerald stated that he did not expect anyone else to be charged in the case: "We're all going back to our day jobs." On July 2, 2007, President Bush commuted Libby's jail sentence, effectively erasing the 30 months he was supposed to spend in jail. The federal felony conviction, probation and fines still remain.
In March 2008, the Government Accountability Office revealed that the investigation had cost $2.58 million. The GAO also reported that "this matter is now concluded for all practical purposes."

Furthermore Bush said on more than one occasion, in public and on video, that he wasn't trying to get OBL and that it wasn't a priority for him.

Leaks from any source are not good and should be rooted out and prosecuted, but let's just be clear about the real reasons these guys made this video and who exactly has been proven to have used leaks exposing real life secret operations for political gain and has lied to the American People about not only the leak itself but also lied about intelligence in order to start an unfunded war.

And before anyone starts....

Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald affirmed that Plame "was a CIA officer from January 1, 2002, forward" and that "her association with the CIA was classified at that time through July 2003 . Due to the nature of her clandestine work for the CIA, many details about Plame's professional career are still classified , but it is documented that she worked for the CIA in a clandestine capacity relating to counter-proliferation.

Really? The feeling this vid represents is common among the Spec ops community. Active duty, too.

[thatmfguy]

I saw that video ... and I watched several news organizations discredit the people that created it. INCLUDING FOX.

What's say we talk about this sudden rash of gun violence sweeping the nation? Whether or not it's an actual escalation or is it just the media is now reporting it harder. And what should be done about it? Stricter gun laws or more lax? That would be a good topic for discussion instead of these topics that are just meant to anger one side and misinform the other.

Actually, it's legit.


Re: Guns, especially empire state...those people were hit by untrained COPS.