Re: THEIR LIES, DISTORTIONS, RECORD, EVIL DOINGS...

Postby arnnatz » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:16 pm

Really? Using the f-bomb every sentence makes it so much more powerful too? I think having to pepper a diatribe with f-bombs shows a failure to grasp the English language. Can't come up with a way to make a statement with impact or with anything to actually say, just add an f-bomb every sentence. The other way to show the same lack of intelligence is to end a rant by calling someone a moron.
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Re: THEIR LIES, DISTORTIONS, RECORD, EVIL DOINGS...

Postby arnnatz » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:11 am

bull wrote:Who taught you american history? Glenn Beck?


You live in the world of revisionist history don't you?

[from wikipedia] Lincoln's decision to issue the Emancipation Proclamation angered both Peace Democrats ("Copperheads") and War Democrats, but energized most Republicans. By warning that free blacks would flood the North, Democrats made gains in the 1862 elections, but they did not gain control of Congress. The Republicans' counterargument that slavery was the mainstay of the enemy steadily gained support, with the Democrats crushed at the 1863 elections in Ohio when they tried to resurrect anti-black sentiment.

Now do your research and answer a couple of questions about US history during the civil war era:
1. To which side did the abolitionist belong?
2. Which side was pro-slavery?
3. What was the effect of the Fugitive Slave Act?
4. What was the Wilmot Proviso?
5. What is meant by "Bleeding Kansas"?
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Re: THEIR LIES, DISTORTIONS, RECORD, EVIL DOINGS...

Postby Bull » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:49 am

[from wikipedia] Lincoln's decision to issue the Emancipation Proclamation angered both Peace Democrats ("Copperheads") and War Democrats, but energized most Republicans. By warning that free blacks would flood the North, Democrats made gains in the 1862 elections, but they did not gain control of Congress. The Republicans' counterargument that slavery was the mainstay of the enemy steadily gained support, with the Democrats crushed at the 1863 elections in Ohio when they tried to resurrect anti-black sentiment.


except the civil war had already started, and abolition was not the cause, it was merely a catalyst.

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The Emancipation Proclamation is an executive order issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863, during the American Civil War using his war powers. It was not a law passed by Congress. It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in the ten states then in rebellion, thus applying to 3.1 million of the 4 million slaves in the U.S. at that time. The Proclamation immediately freed 50,000 slaves, with nearly all the rest (of the 3.1 million) freed as Union armies advanced. The Proclamation did not compensate the owners, did not itself outlaw slavery, and did not make the ex-slaves (called freedmen) citizens.

On September 22, 1862, Lincoln issued a preliminary proclamation that he would order the emancipation of all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863. None returned, and the order, signed and issued January 1, 1863, took effect except in locations where the Union had already mostly regained control. The Proclamation made abolition a central goal of the war (in addition to reunion), outraged white Southerners who envisioned a race war, angered some Northern Democrats, energized anti-slavery forces, and weakened forces in Europe that wanted to intervene to help the Confederacy.
Slavery was made illegal everywhere in the U.S. by the Thirteenth Amendment, which took effect in December 1865.

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Trying to argue that it was Democrats vs Republicans is retarded.

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By the 1850s, slavery was still legal in the southern United States, but had been generally outlawed in the northern states, such as Illinois. Lincoln disapproved of slavery, and the spread of slavery to new U.S. territory in the west. He returned to politics to oppose the pro-slavery Kansas–Nebraska Act (1854); this law repealed the slavery-restricting Missouri Compromise (1820). Senior Senator Stephen A. Douglas of Illinois had incorporated popular sovereignty into the Act. Douglas' provision, which Lincoln opposed, specified settlers had the right to determine locally whether to allow slavery in new U.S. territory, rather than have such a decision restricted by the national Congress. Foner (2010) contrasts the abolitionists and anti-slavery Radical Republicans of the Northeast who saw slavery as a sin, with the conservative Republicans who thought it was bad because it hurt white people and blocked progress. Foner argues that Lincoln was a moderate in the middle, opposing slavery primarily because it violated the republicanism principles of the Founding Fathers, especially the equality of all men and democratic self-government as expressed in the Declaration of Independence.

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In late 1854, Lincoln ran as a Whig for the U.S. Senate seat from Illinois. At that time, senators were elected by the state legislature. After leading in the first six rounds of voting in the Illinois assembly, his support began to dwindle, and Lincoln instructed his backers to vote for Lyman Trumbull, who defeated opponent Joel Aldrich Matteson. The Whigs had been irreparably split by the Kansas–Nebraska Act. Lincoln wrote, "I think I am a Whig, but others say there are no Whigs, and that I am an abolitionist, even though I do no more than oppose the extension of slavery." Drawing on remnants of the old Whig party, and on disenchanted Free Soil, Liberty, and Democratic party members, he was instrumental in forging the shape of the new Republican Party. At the 1856 Republican National Convention, Lincoln placed second in the contest to become the party's candidate for vice president.

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So you and all your Republican buddies can shove that "we were the champions of abolition" argument up your asses. It wasn't an issue between political parties, it was a moral issue that many Democrats supported and many Republicans opposed.

Now I'm done talking about it, I've got a funeral to help plan and I don't have the time or the patience to argue US history. (which is a stupid statement in and of itself)
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Re: THEIR LIES, DISTORTIONS, RECORD, EVIL DOINGS...

Postby crankyhead » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:32 pm

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"Because what good are the first amendment freedoms of religion, speech, press, assembly and redress of grievances, if you can't keep a magnum in the nightstand?" - Roy Zimmerman
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Re: THEIR LIES, DISTORTIONS, RECORD, EVIL DOINGS...

Postby GrouchoMarxist » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:07 pm

You smokin' crack cranky?

Damn... How did we suddenly spend 5 trillion dollars....
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Re: THEIR LIES, DISTORTIONS, RECORD, EVIL DOINGS...

Postby GrouchoMarxist » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:12 pm

crankyhead wrote:Image



Just curious.....

Which Obama budget is this crap based on?


Tissue?
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Re: THEIR LIES, DISTORTIONS, RECORD, EVIL DOINGS...

Postby KALKAM » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:28 pm

Cute chart....sure you want to use it? Yep, blame bush!

Curious, I understand war is expensive so the increase in spending is clear but it was jumping about 600 billion a year...and Bush was the most "progressive" president we've had...but with a war winding down and a president who promised to be more fiscally responsible why did it jump even more? I mean Obama ran on not being Bush with all that spending.

I see some projected tax increases there being calculated into the "projected deficit reduction"...OK....uhhh what are those?

Ummm,....who will be getting those increases?

Will spending be cut?

As always I have to warn you those are loaded questions I am asking....
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Re: THEIR LIES, DISTORTIONS, RECORD, EVIL DOINGS...

Postby crankyhead » Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:00 pm

I'm not blaming Bush for anything he didn't do.
"Because what good are the first amendment freedoms of religion, speech, press, assembly and redress of grievances, if you can't keep a magnum in the nightstand?" - Roy Zimmerman
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Re: THEIR LIES, DISTORTIONS, RECORD, EVIL DOINGS...

Postby crankyhead » Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:01 pm

GrouchoMarxist wrote:Just curious.....

Which Obama budget is this crap based on?


Tissue?


The links to the sources for the graphs are right there in the photo Bibsy.
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Re: THEIR LIES, DISTORTIONS, RECORD, EVIL DOINGS...

Postby GrouchoMarxist » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:49 pm

crankyhead wrote:
GrouchoMarxist wrote:Just curious.....

Which Obama budget is this crap based on?


Tissue?


The links to the sources for the graphs are right there in the photo Bibsy.



Crank... I asked you which bam bam budget this was based on?


I didn't ask to see you dance...
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