[WTFO]

Here's a few simple positions you can answer for yourself:

1. Do you support the separation of church and state? Yes or No?

2. Do you support women's rights? Yes or No?

3. Do you support the rights of gays and lesbians? Yes or No?

4. Do you stand against institutionalized descrimination and murder against minorities? Yes or No?

5. Do you oppose child marraiges and pedophilia? Yes or No?




If you said yes to most or all of these...Congratulations! You stand against Islam.

Don't believe me? Keep reading:


Proof:

1. The Qur'an and Hadiths are considered laws. In addition, Islam teaches that Muslims must wage war to impose Islamic law on non-Muslim states.

2. -"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other" (Qur'an 4.34)
-"Your women are a tilth (field) for you to cultivate so go to your tilth as ye will" (2:223
-How about having 4 wives and having sex with slave girls? "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with them, then only one, or a captive that your right hands possess...(4:3)
-"Allah thus directs you as regards your children's inheritance: to the male, a portion equal to that of two females" (4:11)
- "Good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them" (4:34)

3. -"Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds." (Qur'an 7:80-81)
-"When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes." (Hadith <quotes from Mohammed considered law>)
-"Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." (in reference to the active and passive partners in gay sexual intercourse) (Hadith)

4. -"Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war...When you meet your enemiies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withohold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to accept Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them...If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from the the Jizya (a poll-tax on non-muslims that accompanies a system of humiliating regulations that institutionalize inferior status of non-muslims living under muslim law). If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them." (Hadith)
-"Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Qur'an 9:29)
-Those non-muslims living under muslim rule are called "The Dhimmi". It'd be like being black in Mississippi in 1950...but much worse. Look it up.
-"slay the unbelievers wherever you find them" (Qur'an 9:5)
-"Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers in fight, smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly on them" (Qur'an 47:4)

5. -In discussing a wait period if you think your wife is pregnant, "If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who have ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three months. The same shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated" (Qur'an 65:4)
-The prophet Muhammad took his "favorite wife", Aisha when she was six years old and consummated when she was nine.


Welcome to the truth, you islamaphobe.

[MFS]

Guilty as charged. lol

[crankyhead]

Here's a few simple positions you can answer for yourself:

1. Do you support the separation of church and state? Yes or No?

2. Do you support women's rights? Yes or No?

3. Do you support the rights of gays and lesbians? Yes or No?

4. Do you stand against institutionalized descrimination and murder against minorities? Yes or No?

5. Do you oppose child marraiges and pedophilia? Yes or No?




If you said yes to most or all of these...Congratulations! You stand against Islam.

Don't you mean you stand against Christianity? Here's what the bible says:

1. Romans 13:1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Romans 13:6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.
Romans 13:7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.


2. Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
1 Corinthians 14:34-36 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will
learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1 Timothy 2:11-15 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed,
then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.
1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.
Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

3. Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice
homosexuality.

4. Look no further than the KKK. You'll find all the institutionalized discrimination and minority murdering you'll ever need. All done by devout Christians, complete with burning crosses. If you need
more than this, look up the Crusades of the Holy Roman Empire. If you're still not satisfied, look to the church sponsored genocide of the native north american peoples.

5. Priests and paedophilia.... clearly there's never been a link established between the two.

Numbers 31:7,17-18 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for
yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (I guess the bible doesn't think it's paedophilia if the child is still a virgin?)


Before you go getting all upset with me WTFO, the point I'm trying to make is, everyone needs to stop and think before they throw that proverbial "first stone".

[WTFO]

I'm agnostic so I don't get upset about ignorant attacks against Christianity. I see them for what they are, distortions mostly used in a vain attempt to pretend that all religions have equal good or bad in them.

In the case of Islam you are completely misguided.

May I recommend you read the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades). You may learn that what you've been taught about Islam and the Crusades is complete BS.

However, on you points, you used the same tactic you've always used here. You try to redirect the conversation instead of address the merits of what I posted. Do you not have the courage to admit that these actions and directives outlined in the Qur'an and Hadiths are wrong?

However, let me pick apart your pathetic arguments one at a time:

1. Romans 13:1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Romans 13:6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.
Romans 13:7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
--What you left out of this is the context. These are from Paul's teachings on how Christians should relate to the state. "He is at pains to show that the state performs properly what is forbidden to the individual Christian: it takes vengeance on the one who does evil (see verse 4). Christians, on the contrary, must never repay evil for evil (12:17), and therefore they are not to oppose this legitimate function of the state but are to submit to it."
--However, this is in no way an endorsement that governments must be based on Christianity like is the case with Islam.
--Result: this counter of yours is false and ineffective.

2. Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Corinthians 14:34-36 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will
learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Timothy 2:11-15 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed,
then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.
Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.
Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
--had to do some digging in the Old Testament for a lot of this didn't you. Funny, modern Christianity is based much more on the New Testiment.
--Yep, there are some subjection statements in the bible but it is not practiced in modern Christian faith.
--Islam however, instructs to have multiple wives and force yourself on slave girls. Neither the bible or the teachings of Christianity endorse the abuse of women where in Islam women and girls are subjected to horrible acts endorsed by the institutions of Islam. Such as, rape, being divorced by their husbands when he states it 3 times, female circumcision, forced to cover all but their eyes and hands, beaten if walking in the street without a male relative, not having the right to drive, or vote, or be educated.
--Result: your second point fails because it is no longer part of the Christian faith in practice.

3. Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality.
--Yep, Christianity preaches against homosexuality. However, it does not instruct that they be killed for it like Islam does (note the Hadith above).
--Result: pathetic attempt to make the teachings of the two religions equivalent. You fail again.

4. Look no further than the KKK. You'll find all the institutionalized discrimination and minority murdering you'll ever need. All done by devout Christians, complete with burning crosses. If you need more than this, look up the Crusades of the Holy Roman Empire. If you're still not satisfied, look to the church sponsored genocide of the native north american peoples.
--You try to tie Christianity to the KKK? Just because they claim to be "devout Christians" doesn't make them so. This is a moronic position. Thank you for taking it because it shows how pathetic your points are that you have to grasp at these straws to try to validate your completely false accusations.
--Again, if you want the truth about the Crusades, read the book I mentioned above. A quick snapshot is that the Crusades were a retalitory strike against Muslims that had invaded Christian lands for hundreds of years as well as an attempt to stop their attempted domination further into Europe.
--While many atrocities were commited against Indians, your use of the term 'genocide' is an inflamatory remark. Historically, there is no data to say how many Indians there initially were when Europeans began to settle America. Therefore, there is no accurate data on how many were killed. Again, that doesn't justify killing of Indians or how the English, French, Spanish and settlers used Indian alliances against each other and between enemy tribes. However, you are incapable of providing any proof that any of this was "church sponsored".
--Result: point four is full of slander, lies and misstatements about historical facts. Another failure.

5. Priests and paedophilia.... clearly there's never been a link established between the two.
Numbers 31:7,17-18 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (I guess the bible doesn't think it's paedophilia if the child is still a virgin?)
--You again are trying to paint an entire religion with the crimes of a few of its members. Pedophilia certainly isn't a Christian value. Most Priests are good and honorable men who would never hurt a child. Your slander against them because a few Priests turned out to be criminals is ignorant.
--Again, you had to dig all the way back to the Old Testament for your argument. However, you again are ignoring the context. This was in regards to a war with the Midianites. They were also suffering from a plague at the time (theories suggest it may have been an STD, hence the killing of women who have been with a man). Also, the instructions of "save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man" is in regards to keeping them as slaves versus having sex with them nor does not reference the ages of the girls so your making an assumption on that.
--All this is quite different than Islam's sanctioning marriage of children based on the pedophile Muhammad's example with Aisha.
--Result: your last point is part slander and part ignorance of the context of a portion of Numbers 31 (you tend to only use the portion which supports your BS position)

Now, before you get your panties in a bunch. Maybe the next time you try to address something I post you will (a) address my points on the merits of the evidence I provide instead of trying to redirect the discussion because you can't argue effectively against my positions, or (b) you'll actually do some research on your support before I pick it apart and make you look foolish again.

Take care,

[crankyhead]

May I recommend you read the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades). You may learn that what you've been taught about Islam and the Crusades is complete BS.

Without even bothering to find out what I do and don't know about history, you suggest a comedic 'Cliff Notes' to me to hone up on my knowledge? I sincerely hope this was an attempt at humor, otherwise, I'm breaking my own first rule, which is, to not get caught in an argument with a fool. I will however, continue for now, hoping for the best.

However, on you points, you used the same tactic you've always used here. You try to redirect the conversation instead of address the merits of what I posted. Do you not have the courage to admit that these actions and directives outlined in the Qur'an and Hadiths are wrong?

If your 'points' were meritorious rather than xenophobic, believe me, I would have addressed them. But to dignify your obvious disdain for all muslims, based on the actions of a few, seemed unwise.

--However, this is in no way an endorsement that governments must be based on Christianity like is the case with Islam.
--Result: this counter of yours is false and ineffective.

This is your opinion and you are entitled to it. (One nation under God, cough cough)

--had to do some digging in the Old Testament for a lot of this didn't you. Funny, modern Christianity is based much more on the New Testiment.
--Yep, there are some subjection statements in the bible but it is not practiced in modern Christian faith.
--Islam however, instructs to have multiple wives and force yourself on slave girls. Neither the bible or the teachings of Christianity endorse the abuse of women where in Islam women and girls are subjected to horrible acts endorsed by the institutions of Islam. Such as, rape, being divorced by their husbands when he states it 3 times, female circumcision, forced to cover all but their eyes and hands, beaten if walking in the street without a male relative, not having the right to drive, or vote, or be educated.
--Result: your second point fails because it is no longer part of the Christian faith in practice.

Last time I checked, the old testament was part of the bible. Which makes it part of the Christian faith. You say that it doesn't count because practising Xtians no longer follow the old testament. Does this mean that the 10 commandments no longer apply to Xtianity? Moreover, you make no mention of the larger sect of muslims, who are moderate, and don't take the Qu'ran literally.

--Yep, Christianity preaches against homosexuality. However, it does not instruct that they be killed for it like Islam does (note the Hadith above).
--Result: pathetic attempt to make the teachings of the two religions equivalent. You fail again.

Both religions, at their core, preach love and tolerance for your fellow man. So they are fundamentally equivalent. So much so, they even share a few prophets. Care to guess which ones?

--You try to tie Christianity to the KKK? Just because they claim to be "devout Christians" doesn't make them so. This is a moronic position. Thank you for taking it because it shows how pathetic your points are that you have to grasp at these straws to try to validate your completely false accusations.

You mean like assuming that all muslims are baby killing, women hating terrorists? Is that the kind of moronic argument you're rallying against?

--Again, if you want the truth about the Crusades, read the book I mentioned above. A quick snapshot is that the Crusades were a retalitory strike against Muslims that had invaded Christian lands for hundreds of years as well as an attempt to stop their attempted domination further into Europe.

Actually, the crusades began because of Pope Urban II's desire to re-establish his political supremacy over the city of Constantinople. In order to achieve this aim, in 1095, he declared a "War of the Cross" (so much for the church not sponsoring violence, more on this later) in which he called for an end to all wars between Xtian governments (so much for your church and state argument) and set his sights on recapturing Jerusalem from the muslim Turks. I could go on at great lenghth WTFO, but I'm not here to teach you history.

--While many atrocities were commited against Indians, your use of the term 'genocide' is an inflamatory remark. Historically, there is no data to say how many Indians there initially were when Europeans began to settle America. Therefore, there is no accurate data on how many were killed. Again, that doesn't justify killing of Indians or how the English, French, Spanish and settlers used Indian alliances against each other and between enemy tribes. However, you are incapable of providing any proof that any of this was "church sponsored".
--Result: point four is full of slander, lies and misstatements about historical facts. Another failure.

http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/genocide.pdf Read this. The proof is there. It's too lengthy to paste here. The only thing I'm failing at is understanding how you look at yourself in a mirror without being utterly ashamed of your own ignorance or how it is that you get to sleep at night.

--You again are trying to paint an entire religion with the crimes of a few of its members.

I didn't want you to be the only guy doing this. Funny how when you do it, it's acceptable, but when the other side does it, it's reprehensible. Imagine that, a right wing hypocrite. Whodathunkit?

--All this is quite different than Islam's sanctioning marriage of children based on the pedophile Muhammad's example with Aisha.

You ever been to Utah?

Maybe the next time you try to address something I post you will (a) address my points on the merits of the evidence I provide instead of trying to redirect the discussion because you can't argue effectively against my positions, or (b) you'll actually do some research on your support before I pick it apart and make you look foolish again.

Take care,

(a) Does this meet your expectations? I hope the point by point format is simple enough for you to follow. If it's not, you just let me know, and I'll try to dumb it down even more.

(b) You couldn't make me look foolish even if I volunteered to put on a clown suit and eat my own turds.

You take care as well kind sir.

[WTFO]

You're honestly not worth my time. I've posted facts. You've posted lies and ignorance without even examining the evidence I put forth.

You mistate my positions by falsely claiming that I believe all muslims are "baby killing, women hating terrorists" and that I'm a "xenophobe".

You, like a child, try to redirect the discussion instead of address the real concerns put forth.

Let honest and intelligent people on this site read both of our positions, do their own research and they'll find the truth. I'm sorry to say, it won't be your version.

I refuse to have an argument with an idiot. You'll just drag me down to your level and beat me with experience.

Best of luck in your fairy world. I'm sure muslim terrorists will spare your life since you so adamantly defend their hate while misrepresenting the Christian faith.

[crankyhead]

You're honestly not worth my time. I've posted facts. You've posted lies and ignorance without even examining the evidence I put forth.

I read what you said. I even went through it point by point like you asked. Your statements are far from factual.

You mistate my positions by falsely claiming that I believe all muslims are "baby killing, women hating terrorists" and that I'm a "xenophobe".

Best of luck in your fairy world. I'm sure muslim terrorists will spare...

Bueller...? Bueller...?

You, like a child, try to redirect the discussion instead of address the real concerns put forth.

I went through your little manifesto point by point WTFO, offering secondary sources that refute your claims. I don't see how I'm the one acting like a child.

Let honest and intelligent people on this site read both of our positions, do their own research and they'll find the truth.

I accept.

You know WTFO, you always resort to belittling those who disagree with you. It's awfully transparent and rather mundane.

Take care.

[WTFO]

So, I was looking back over your responses, cranky and was trying to determine if you're ignorant, delusional or just a chronic liar. Upon careful examination, I've found that the answer is all of the above. Now before you get all pissy, let me explain why I believe that, starting with your most recent batch of pathetic misstatements:

You stated "I read what you said. I even went through it point by point like you asked." Well, this statement is a complete lie. This is because you failed to address the original post in anyway what so ever. You responded with false attacks against Christians based on falsely associating the actions of a few (KKK and a few criminal priests) as representative of the Christian faith or you dug up old quotes that are no longer in common practice in the faith. You used other logic fallacies to support your ignorant and hate filled assertions as well. So tell us, dear cranky, why didn't you address any of the facts I posted about the Islamic faith (that is still widely practiced even among the 'moderate' muslims)? Oh yes, you pulled the typical liberal BS avoidance tactic by trying to shut down the discussion (because you can't deny anything I posted with any factual basis) by name-calling. Here's what said to avoid losing the discussion:

"If your 'points' were meritorious rather than xenophobic"

This is very typical of the lying liberals in the US. When they don't have facts to back them up, they try to shut the other side up by falsely accusing them of being 'xenophobic' or 'racist'. I don't think you understand the meaning of the word you used (common of liberals to use words they don't know in a vain attempt to appear intelligent). So here:

Xenophobia: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign.

I have no fear or hatred of strangers/foreigners or of anything strange/foreign. Also, how does it show fear or hatred when I cited directly from the qur'an and the hadiths? Just because you are too much of a coward to have a discussion about the obviously violent teachings of the qur'an doesn't mean that people who do want to explore why the terrorists attacking us keep using quotes from those Islamic teachings are displaying fear or hate.

You followed up with "Your statements are far from factual." This is yet another logic fallacy you liberals try to use when the truth isn't on your side. You assert that my positions and evidence are not 'factual' simply based on you saying they are not. Sorry, that doesn't work. It's the child's defense of a position, where they just say "IS NOT!" and storm off before they are proven wrong. Everything I posted is supported by facts and evidence. You can cry and stomp your feet all you want, facts are facts.

Now here's the part I really love. Where you state

"You know WTFO, you always resort to belittling those who disagree with you. It's awfully transparent and rather mundane."

This is the example of a true liberal hypocritical baby. After attacking me and trying to belittle me in previous posts, you cry and whine when I throw a few barbs your way. What? You don't remember trying to belittle me or just completely lying about my position? Well:
"I'm breaking my own first rule, which is, to not get caught in an argument with a fool"
"You mean like assuming that all muslims are baby killing, women hating terrorists? Is that the kind of moronic argument you're rallying against?"
"but I'm not here to teach you history" A great arrogant quote by the way especially in light of your ignorance of historical facts verses liberal revisionism.
"only thing I'm failing at is understanding how you look at yourself in a mirror without being utterly ashamed of your own ignorance or how it is that you get to sleep at night" I sleep very well and like who I see in the mirror thanks. That is because my beliefs are based in facts and logic and I live my life with honor. I'm sure a whiny liberal would not understand any of that (which is where the delusional part comes in because you actually believe all the BS you spew)
"Imagine that, a right wing hypocrite. Whodathunkit?" Here again you lie about my positions. I never painted all muslims by the criminal acts of a few. I pointed out that the qur'an and hadiths that are widely used across the 'practicing' muslim world teach violence, maltreatment of women, etc.
"I hope the point by point format is simple enough for you to follow. If it's not, you just let me know, and I'll try to dumb it down even more" Here, your pathetic attempt to be condescending falls flat because your point-by-point discussion are mostly BS.

So your crying about me always trying to belittle my political opponents is laughable based on your obvious hypocrisy. So if you pu**y hurts, go get some vagisil and get over it.

Now if you've gotten this far without throwing a temper-tantrum and storming away from your computer, I'll politely inform you that this thread is about the modern teachings of Islam as is clearly articulated in the first post. You want to bash Christianity, feel free to dedicate a forum post to it. Hell, I'll join you there. Here it is about Islam, so put on your big-girl panties and try to stay on topic. Unless of course you can't dispute any of my positions or if you are a coward.

[WTFO]

Now, on to the topic at hand, cranky. You actually did make a couple of points relating to Islam that I'll address here.

1st "the crusades began because of Pope Urban II's desire to re-establish his political supremacy over the city of Constantinople. In order to achieve this aim, in 1095, he declared a "War of the Cross" (so much for the church not sponsoring violence, more on this later) in which he called for an end to all wars between Xtian governments (so much for your church and state argument) and set his sights on recapturing Jerusalem from the muslim Turks."

The first misstatement of history you inject here is the Pope Urban II's desire was to "re-establish his political supremacy". That is what is called speculation on motives that you can't possibly have insight into. The best way to see why he called this is to look at his own words. However, there are multiple versions of the script written down by some who heard him speak. Here's the link http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/urban2-5vers.html

What is clear is that the Pope's speech was rallying a counter strike against the evil crimes of the Turks and muslims who had invaded other lands. They committed torture, rape and other horrific acts against the inhabitants of those cities. It was also a call to stop these invaders because their goal was to take more of Europe. Looks like you needed to be taught about the Crusades, cranky.

2nd you stated "Both religions, at their core, preach love and tolerance for your fellow man. So they are fundamentally equivalent"

Well, this my friend is the biggest political correctness lie about the Islamic faith. While other religions do teach love and tolerance, Islam teaches love and tolerance for other muslims only. For the non-believers...
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers:
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]..."
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Quran (2:126) "[We] shall let them live awhile, and then shall drag them to the scourge of the Fire. Evil shall be their fate"
Quran (2:172) "The unbelievers are like beasts which, call out to them as one may, can hear nothing but a shout and a cry. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they understand nothing"
Quran (3:12) "Say to the unbelievers: ‘You shall be overthrown and driven into Hell—an evil resting place!'"
Quran (3:28) "Let the believers not make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful—he that does this has nothing to hope for from God—except in self-defense"
Quran (3:118) "Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people. They will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their hatred is evident from what they utter with their mouths, but greater is the hatred which their breasts conceal"

There's much more but I've made my point based on the truth.

[crankyhead]

You paint all muslims with the same 'terrorist' brush by quoting a text you've probably never even read (the koran) and then claim that your position is one of accuracy and truth. Then when I do the same thing to a different religion, using the exact same methodology that you used, I'm categorically referred to as ignorant, delusional and a chronic liar.

How is it that I'm the one who's guilty of logical fallacies? I know you like saying that to everyone who disagrees with you WTFO, but, if you're going to continue to hide behind that particular phrase, you should do us all a favor, yourself included. Learn what it means, and then don't be guilty of it when you're accusing someone else of that very thing. *hypocoughcritecough*

If you're wondering why I didn't take the opportunity to write a 12000 word response, just scroll to the top and re-familiarize yourself with the aforementioned "rule #1"

Cheers