[arnnatz]

You forgot the part where you put your opium pipe down and passed out

[crankyhead]

Here's an example of how a "discussion" with crackhead would go:

arnnatz: The sky in Chicago looks kind of gray today.
CrankyHead According to http://skyinecuadorisblue.com that's bs because it says the sky is blue.
arnnatz: I'm telling you that I looked out my hotel window and the sky is gray, not blue today.
CrankyHead: You are an idiot.

and that's why I don't care to accept anything from you, because you are a total buffoon.

The conversation would probably go like this:

arnnatz: The sky in Chicago looks kind of gray today.
crankyhead: Actually Arnnatz, the sky is colourless.
arnnatz: What?
crankyhead: What you perceive as colour, is just earth's gravity refracting the light from the sun. At night, when there is no sunlight, there is no colour in the sky, you see what I mean?
arnnatz: I'm telling you that I looked out my hotel window and the sky is gray, not blue today.
crankyhead: Those are called clouds Arnnatz. They're probably moisture laden stratocumulous clouds, but I'm not in Chicago, so that's just an educated guess.
arnnatz: You're an asshole. A stupid liberal asshole with no facts. All you do is spread stupid liberal asshole lies, you asshole. Stupid elitist liberal asshole.
crankyhead: *sigh* If you're going out, don't forget your umbrella...
arnnatz: Shut up you asshole liberal liar.

[crankyhead]

[WTFO]

It's all very interesting to make up pretend conversations between the two sides but it doesn't prove anything. It is much more instructive to use an existing "discusion" and point out how it went. Therefore, here is one (paraphrased for brevity):
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9172

WTFO-The qur-an teaches violence and oppression against women, gays and non muslims. Here's proof from the qur'an and hadiths
MFS-I agree
Cranky-I can't dispute that so let's change the topic to Christianity. Here's some violence from the bible. Here's a false accusation that the KKK represents christians. Here's condemning all christians because a few priests have assaulted boys.
WTFO-Here's a good reference to learn about isalm. It's clear that you can't discuss the violence of islam that's why you redirect the conversation to attack christianity. However, here is a point by point explaination why your attacks on christianity are completely false.
Cranky-Your reference (which I haven't read) is false and you are a fool (BTW, this is the first personal attack in the conversation from the so-called "gentleman" on this site). I refuse to discuss your points on islam because you are "xenophobic" (2nd personal attack) and "your obvious disdain for all muslims" (1st appearance of the strawman argument of me hating all muslims or claiming that all muslims follow the violent teachings of the qur'an to the letter). Next, an ineffective attempt to disprove my statements on christianity. False claim that both religions are equivalent. Claiming (falsely again) that my argument is that all muslims are baby killing terrorists. Here's a false history of the crusades and an article of canadian genocide (the only true evidence he ever posted on this site). You're a "right-wing hypocrite" (3rd attack). "I volunteered to put on a clown suit and eat my own turds" (not sure why he'd place himself in that position, but who am I to judge?)
WTFO-I posted facts, you posted lies and ignorance. You lied that my position is that "all muslims" are terrorists. I'm not arguing with an idiot (my 1st personal attack in the thread). Let honest and intelligent people read this and decide.
Cranky-I don't agree with your points so they're not factual. WTFO, you always belittle those who disagree with you (funny, he's now crying about the tactic he employed multiple times the second I called him an idiot. What a baby [remeber the old avatar?])
WTFO-I reviewed this thread. I see how you keep using logic fallacies to avoid the discussion about islam, here are some examples. Now, this thread is about islam so if you want to discuss islam join in. I will not let you continue to divert the topic. Here is some quotes of violence from the qur'an.
Cranky-Here I'll say again that you're attacking "all muslims" as terrorists. You're dumb and don't know what logic fallacies are, "hypocoughcritecough" (pathetic personal attack)
WTFO-"I have never stated (nor do I believe) that ALL muslims are terrorists like you keep saying (yet another logic fallacy of 'Argument Ad Nauseam' or the repetition of a falsehood in hopes that someone will believe your BS because you keep saying it)." I know you keep using these logic fallacies because you can't disprove my positions on islam
Cranky-You're spreading hate, WTFO. "I'm a retard and you're a genius" (true). I'd be happy to discuss islam, but you're a fool (another attack). "Is it any wonder that you can't have a discussion with a liberal without resorting to ad hominem?" (this from the guy who attacked me? Now who's the hypocrite?). Islam is a religion of peace christianity isn't.
WTFO-More point-by-point dismantling of Cranky's rants. As for "religion of peace" here's multiple sites that disprove that political correct lie. Why don't you stop attacking christianity and stay on topic?
Cranky-Point-by-point lies about my position, attacks and incorrect claims of logic fallacies in my positions. Followed by "peaceful" quotes from the qur'an (finally, he posts something on topic). Your articles are isolated incidents. You slander all muslims.
WTFO-Allow me to tear down your accusations of logic fallicies with facts. Now, let's look at your "peaceful" quotes from the qur'an in context with qur'anic quotes immediately surrounding the ones you cherry picked. They prove that my position is correct. Here are several more of these "isolated incidents" relating to islamic violence. I can get tons more, so violence is not really isolated in islam. My concerns are with islam, not "all muslims" don't lie about my position. Here's more qur'anic verses preaching violence against non-muslims.
Cranky-ha ha, I win.
WTFO-You're actually trying to claim victory by lying about my positions? My position never changed. You're pathetic, I pity you.
Cranky-You're a doo-doo head
WTFO-Here's a great video of what it's like trying to have a discussion with a liberal troll
Cranky-How am I misstating your position?
WTFO-Here are the actual quotes from this thread proving you are misstating my position. Now, back on topic: here's some links that show tons of voilence and abuse of women straight from the qur'an
Cranky-I don't want to discuss what you've posted so here's my liberal definition of islam. Your position is attacking all muslims. I read the book you talked about (doubt it). I don't want to discuss it, instead I'll attack the author because I disagree with him.
WTFO-Yep, you're an idiot.
Cranky-I'll just repost a WTFO quote (still factual BTW)
WTFO-I'll repost the original questions of this thread to get it back on topic.
Cranky-Snide comment and ignorance
WTFO-You don't have the courage to discuss the proposed topic. You've been owned.
Cranky-I'll make fun of what the acronym WTFO stands for with vulgarity
WTFO-My facts remain facts regardless of your childish behavior.
Cranky-More acronym stupidity
WTFO-Go ahead and try to prove my facts wrong. You are pathetic
Cranky-I can't so here's another way to insult the acronym
WTFO-For honest and intelligent readers, here are some violent quotes from islamic hadiths, videos on Shariah law, a cleric's instruction on how to beat your wife, the execution of gays, and islamic hatred towards the Jewish
Cranky-I'll incorrectly claim you are using a logic fallacy and attack the WTFO acronym again.
WTFO-Intelligent people can tell the difference between a logic fallacy and evidence. Apparently, you can't. BTW, WTFO stand for What the F***, Over.
Cranky-Another inane attack on the acronym (BTW, still avioding the thread's topic)
WTFO-Your childish behavior is pathetic. You seem to be obsessed with me, stalker. So, moving on: here's a video from an islamic scholar including a former PLO terrorist, a video from jihadwatch.com, an example of how Sweden's lack of integrating muslim immigrants has caused problems, and more videos of islamic teachings of hate and indoctrinating their children to hate with puppets.
Cranky-You mad? Here's some of your quotes and while they are completely consistant I'm going to claim they are not.
WTFO-Not mad at all. It's clear you can't disprove anything I've posted so you resort to using personal attacks against me and others you disagree with. Back on topic, here's a video of an American citing the qur'an while calling for jihad against the USA, an islamic video proving hatred is indoctrinated in their children, a video of a cleric stating pedophilia is okay in islam, and more violence against women in the name of islam.

That is only up to page 6 of 14. However, in the interest of space the rest of the pages carry on (roughly) as:
Cranky-Attack WTFO, logic fallacies and more inane stupidity
WTFO-Postings of tons of evidence and facts supporting the original position that islam teaches violence and hate (even if most muslims don't follow those specific teachings).

[arnnatz]

Cranky-You're a doo-doo head

Did spankypants really say that? If so, I just lost what minuscule respect I had for him. I think he needs to go back to the crybaby avatar he had before or the weasel avatar from the other site.

And I do agree that WTFO spankypants in that conversation.

[crankyhead]

Actually, my first post was pointing out that since both Christianity and Islam have the same origins, and that both Christianity and Islam have members who use violence to achieve their political aims, that one should be careful about saying that only one of these religions is guilty of doing this.

And actually, the first line of your second post in that thread, WTFO, is where you decided to take the conversation into the realm of insults.

I'm agnostic so I don't get upset about ignorant attacks(calling me ignorant) against Christianity. I see them for what they are, distortions mostly used in a vain attempt to pretend that all religions have equal good or bad in them.

In the case of Islam you are completely misguided.

May I recommend you read the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades). You may learn that what you've been taught about Islam and the Crusades is complete BS.

However, on you points, you used the same tactic you've always used here. You try to redirect the conversation instead of address the merits of what I posted. Do you not have the courage(calling me a coward) to admit that these actions and directives outlined in the Qur'an and Hadiths are wrong?

However, let me pick apart your pathetic arguments (calling me pathetic) one at a time:

But like I said before, I'm not interested in playing a game of 'he said, she said.' But don't try to misrepresent the written record. I'll call you on it every time. As for the rest of your little diatribe, it carries the same amount of accuracy as the first few lines, but again, I'm not playing this little game.

And just for the record; I'd like to remind both you WTFO, and Arnnatz, that I've extended my hand to both of you, in the hopes of coming to an agreement to behave like gentlemen from now on, and that you both made the decision to slap my hand away. So don't pin your behaviour on me, you own it.

[WTFO]

Cranky-You're a doo-doo head

Did spankypants really say that? If so, I just lost what minuscule respect I had for him. I think he needs to go back to the crybaby avatar he had before or the weasel avatar from the other site.

And I do agree that WTFO spankypants in that conversation.

I paraphrased the doo-doo head, but it had the same level of maturity.

[WTFO]

Actually, my first post was pointing out that since both Christianity and Islam have the same origins, and that both Christianity and Islam have members who use violence to achieve their political aims, that one should be careful about saying that only one of these religions is guilty of doing this.

And actually, the first line of your second post in that thread, WTFO, is where you decided to take the conversation into the realm of insults.

I'm agnostic so I don't get upset about ignorant attacks(calling me ignorant) against Christianity. I see them for what they are, distortions mostly used in a vain attempt to pretend that all religions have equal good or bad in them.

In the case of Islam you are completely misguided.

May I recommend you read the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades). You may learn that what you've been taught about Islam and the Crusades is complete BS.

However, on you points, you used the same tactic you've always used here. You try to redirect the conversation instead of address the merits of what I posted. Do you not have the courage(calling me a coward) to admit that these actions and directives outlined in the Qur'an and Hadiths are wrong?

However, let me pick apart your pathetic arguments (calling me pathetic) one at a time:

But like I said before, I'm not interested in playing a game of 'he said, she said.' But don't try to misrepresent the written record. I'll call you on it every time. As for the rest of your little diatribe, it carries the same amount of accuracy as the first few lines, but again, I'm not playing this little game.

And just for the record; I'd like to remind both you WTFO, and Arnnatz, that I've extended my hand to both of you, in the hopes of coming to an agreement to behave like gentlemen from now on, and that you both made the decision to slap my hand away. So don't pin your behaviour on me, you own it.

Of course you're only interested in the 'he said, she said' argument. I clearly attacked your positions and arguments and proved why the were "ignorant" and "pathetic". Being "misguided" is not an insult. Anyone who believes the words of liars (like liberal sites) would be misguided. Asking if you had the "courage" to discuss the posted topics is a question. It doesn't automatically mean you have no courage. All you had to do is stay on topic and I would have had my answer. Instead, you spent multiple pages on attacks and diversions, thus proving you actually are a coward. If you think that those statements constitute personal attacks, then maybe you should put on your big-girl panties before logging onto this site.

As for your extended hand,

You are completely incapable of being a gentleman. I began by treating you fairly. You acted like an ass and when people fire back in kind you cry that your pussy hurts. Well, get some vagisil because I don't care.

I own the fact that I will treat everyone with the same respect they treat me with. Those that are respectful and mature, get what they give. Idiots like you who are snide, disrespectful and use name calling, should be ready to get it back without crying.

Now, run along and play hide-&-go-F*!&-yourself.

[crankyhead]

Of course you're only interested in the 'he said, she said' argument. I clearly attacked your positions and arguments and proved why the were "ignorant" and "pathetic". Being "misguided" is not an insult. Anyone who believes the words of liars (like liberal sites) would be misguided. Asking if you had the "courage" to discuss the posted topics is a question. It doesn't automatically mean you have no courage. All you had to do is stay on topic and I would have had my answer. Instead, you spent multiple pages on attacks and diversions, thus proving you actually are a coward. If you think that those statements constitute personal attacks, then maybe you should put on your big-girl panties before logging onto this site.

I'll say it again;

But like I said before, I'm not interested in playing a game of 'he said, she said.' But don't try to misrepresent the written record. I'll call you on it every time. As for the rest of your little diatribe, it carries the same amount of accuracy as the first few lines, but again, I'm not playing this little game.

Is that clear yet?

As for your extended hand,

You are completely incapable of being a gentleman. I began by treating you fairly. You acted like an ass and when people fire back in kind you cry that your pussy hurts. Well, get some vagisil because I don't care.

I own the fact that I will treat everyone with the same respect they treat me with. Those that are respectful and mature, get what they give. Idiots like you who are snide, disrespectful and use name calling, should be ready to get it back without crying.

Now, run along and play hide-&-go-F*!&-yourself.

If it's your assertion that I'm the person who is upset, why is it always you, who's bringing up the past?

Sincerely,
cranky

P.S.

[WTFO]

Whatever lies help a pathetic canadian troll sleep at night, I guess. The record is clear for all to see.

You wonder why all your conversations on this site end up with people abusing you? Well, it keeps happening over and over again with multiple users. The only common denominator in those conversations is you. To bad you're not bright enough to realize that you are only reaping what you sow.

BTW, you never answered my question of where you went to school. I seriously don't want my kids to go there.

Thanks much,