[Bull]

First, how about we all learn what we're actually talking about?

http://www.kaiseredu.org/Tutorials-and- ... icare.aspx (Don't be afraid, you won't have to read that much)

The one thing that stuck out for me was this ..

Ten Year Increase in Medicare Spending = 105.3 Billion

Ten year Increase in Medicare Saving = 533.1 Billion

I'm no mathematician but it looks like we're going to save more money over the next ten years than we'd be spending on healthcare.

[KALKAM]

First, how about we all learn what we're actually talking about?

http://www.kaiseredu.org/Tutorials-and- ... icare.aspx (Don't be afraid, you won't have to read that much)

The one thing that stuck out for me was this ..

Ten Year Increase in Medicare Spending = 105.3 Billion

Ten year Increase in Medicare Saving = 533.1 Billion

I'm no mathematician but it looks like we're going to save more money over the next ten years than we'd be spending on healthcare.

MRI costs about $1300...paying out $83...firing staff and replacing with per diems....yep...it is going to save money....initially. But those pay outs are not going to keep hospitals afloat so they just refer you to a clinic now.

I will save money if I downgrade to just liability for my cars too.

The phase in down here is all I need to know that I hate it...

[arnnatz]

So what is the effect on unemployed people? If you are struggling to feed your family on the whopping $357 you receive (before taxes) and you now have to purchase health insurance, how do they survive. Do they give up food? Electricity? Gas?

[KALKAM]

So what is the effect on unemployed people? If you are struggling to feed your family on the whopping $357 you receive (before taxes) and you now have to purchase health insurance, how do they survive. Do they give up food? Electricity? Gas?

Any adult living off of $357 a week should not have to pay taxes of any sort...

[arnnatz]

Any adult living off of $357 a week should not have to pay taxes of any sort...

Unfortunately, unemployment is taxable.

[KALKAM]

That's just sick...add another 2.5%.

[Bull]

Unemployment is paid for by state and federal taxes collected from Employers.


Obamacare includes the largest middle-class tax cut for health care in history. According to the independent Congressional Budget Office, 19 million people will receive tax credits worth an average of about $4,800 each to help them afford health care.

Around 1 percent of people—those who can afford to buy coverage but instead choose to opt out, shifting their costs to the rest of us—will pay a penalty.

If you can afford medical insurance but you choose not to then you get hit with a tax. That tax pays for healthcare for the people who can't afford it.

Romney did the SAME thing in Massachusetts

MRI costs about $1300...paying out $83...firing staff and replacing with per diems....yep...it is going to save money....initially. But those pay outs are not going to keep hospitals afloat so they just refer you to a clinic now.

I will save money if I downgrade to just liability for my cars too.

The phase in down here is all I need to know that I hate it...

Not sure what you're talking about. Care to explain, perhaps site a source?

And FYI, you're small business will not be effected unless you employ 50 or more people. Fox news even said this, only about 4% of small businesses will be effected by this "penalty" tax.

[arnnatz]

Unemployment is paid for by state and federal taxes collected from Employers.

But the recipients of unemployment pay income taxes on it:
http://turbotax.intuit.com/support/iq/T ... 12619.html

Around 1 percent of people—those who can afford to buy coverage but instead choose to opt out, shifting their costs to the rest of us—will pay a penalty.

That doesn't explain how someone who has to live off unemployment because the economy sucks so bad can pay for either the insurance or the penalty. And if he can't pay for insurance, the IRS will withhold any tax refunds that he would normally get until he ponies up the money for healthcare. Same holds true for people who make minimum wage and the employer has less than 50 people (e.g. a restaurant)

[KALKAM]

Unemployment is paid for by state and federal taxes collected from Employers.


Obamacare includes the largest middle-class tax cut for health care in history. According to the independent Congressional Budget Office, 19 million people will receive tax credits worth an average of about $4,800 each to help them afford health care.

Around 1 percent of people—those who can afford to buy coverage but instead choose to opt out, shifting their costs to the rest of us—will pay a penalty.

If you can afford medical insurance but you choose not to then you get hit with a tax. That tax pays for healthcare for the people who can't afford it.

Romney did the SAME thing in Massachusetts

Romney did it on the state level...the fed has no right to do it.

People with good insurance, public unions excluded of course, will have bigger problems...top tier insurance is getting taxed at 40%...which will be passed on...and then passed on again.

Not sure what you're talking about. Care to explain, perhaps site a source?

And FYI, you're small business will not be effected unless you employ 50 or more people. Fox news even said this, only about 4% of small businesses will be effected by this "penalty" tax.

Best source imaginable...healthcare professionals in the State of Florida. They aren't getting laid off for nothing...

A year and half ago hospitals would offer 10K signing bonuses to newly hired nurses...where she works they would give another 5K to any employee that "recruited" a nurse....now times aren't so good...most have to settle for per diem.

Best way to check is to go on facebook and randomly search healthcare professionals in Florida and ask them...it's no secret.

[Bull]

I'm curious to know what you guys think about this ....