Global Warming and political lies.

Postby KALKAM » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:18 am

Whenever this comes up I start laughing. I've said it plenty of times...we were all hearing about Global Cooling, same doom and gloom, same things to blame, same political games....

An actual issue of TIME was used for this poster.
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This was all the rage until...the earth starting warming!

Naturally we still had a huge global environmental issue to fear....nuclear power.

Yep, once the earth started warming and that entire narrative fell apart we demonized a power source that would eliminate the cause of all of our problems...fossil fuel.

Then once a new generation was in place the same people began the global warming narrative...same blame placed on fossil fuels, same political games, same certainty from those that "want to do something about it".


It really never dawned on anyone that it's really just about energy control?

I have seen this before...if the earth stops warming the same crowd will find another environmental issue, one that certainly will make the same case...control of energy. Then when the new generation that was not alive for all this enters school we will have another go at global cooling.


It's political...scientists are whores for grants. But don't take my word for it...

Unlike many “environmentalists,” who have degrees in political science, Lovelock, until his recent retirement at age 92, was a much-honoured working scientist and academic.


Read this, it's an article about James Lovelock, the godfather of global warming.

I agree that it's like religion with many people. They are so sure even after they have gotten their prophesy wrong time after time.


Now if people really want to know what is causing it wouldn't it be best to actually keep NASA at full force? Solar activity might be our biggest concern...




I have to disclose that I really don't care at all if the world ends in 100 years...I will be dead and want to enjoy myself now. If we really do care about future generations that will have technology we can only dream about, maybe even a cure for cancer, we should not leave them crushing debt. We do KNOW that always ends badly.

Or is that still open for debate?


Oh yeah, every "Earth Day" I set a tire on fire...why? Because people have the right to burn my flag in protest so I figure I would burn something that would piss them off too. Want to save the earth? Beat the crap out of anyone burning my flag, when I no longer hear about it I will stop.
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby crankyhead » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:10 pm

Right, because April 8, 1977 was when human beings stopped learning about their environment.

P.S. The cure for cancer exists, it was discovered at the University of Alberta in 2007. But seeing as how people stopped learning stuff 30 years earlier, you can just forget I mentioned it.
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby KALKAM » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:55 pm

crankyhead wrote:Right, because April 8, 1977 was when human beings stopped learning about their environment.


We learned the earth wasn't cooling up until the 70's?

They had the same answers to solving the cooling...but the crisis was averted!

If the earth starts cooling again will that be good news or bad news? I thought averting cooling was good...

I agree with Lovelock, more nuclear power plants is fine with me...but it wasn't with the political environmentalists...


crankyhead wrote:P.S. The cure for cancer exists, it was discovered at the University of Alberta in 2007. But seeing as how people stopped learning stuff 30 years earlier, you can just forget I mentioned it.


Does DCA really work? Or is it a sometimes yes, sometimes no thing?

Can it be used to prevent it? I would really like to chain smoke again....
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby arnnatz » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:49 pm

crackhead wrote:P.S. The cure for cancer exists, it was discovered at the University of Alberta in 2007. But seeing as how people stopped learning stuff 30 years earlier, you can just forget I mentioned it.


Not according to your far left MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39102353/ns/health-cancer/t/top-deadliest-cancers-why-theres-no-cure/

The top 10 deadliest cancers — and why there's no cure
Lung, colon and breast cancer cause the most deaths each year
updated 9/10/2010 3:58:54 PM ET

The dread and fear that can come with a cancer diagnosis have their roots in its killer nature: It's the No. 2 cause of death in Americans, second only to heart disease, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Even when diagnosed early and attacked with the latest treatments, it still has the power to kill.

To help raise money to find cures and treatments for cancer patients, the "Stand Up to Cancer" telethon will air on ABC, NBC and CBS and other networks and cable stations starting at 8 p.m. ET Friday. The telethon will feature a host of celebrity guests, including George Clooney, Denzel Washington, Renee Zellweger and Will Smith.

"'Stand Up To Cancer' represents collaborative efforts" to provide funding for cancer research, Dr. Len Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society, told MyHealthNewsDaily.

"We would not be where we are if basic and clinical science wasn't funded," Lichtenfeld said. "Basic science teaches us about mechanisms, about how drugs may be effective, and we take that info and put it into a clinic to find out whether or not those new ideas work in cancer treatment."

While there are many successful treatments today that didn't exist just a couple decades ago, a wholesale "cure for cancer " remains elusive for many reasons. There are more than 100 types of cancer, characterized by abnormal cell growth. There are many different causes, ranging from radiation to chemicals to viruses; an individual has varying degrees of control over exposure to cancer-causing agents.

Cancer cells, and how they grow, remain unpredictable and in some cases mysterious. Even after seemingly effective treatments, crafty cancer cells are able to hide out in some patients and resurface.

About $200 billion has been spent on cancer research since the early 1970s, and the five-year survival rate for all people diagnosed with cancer in the U.S. has risen from about 50 percent in the 1970s to 65 percent today.

Here's a look at the 10 cancers that killed the most people in the United States between 2003 and 2007, the most recent data available, according to the National Cancer Institute (NCI).

1. Lung and bronchial cancer: 792,495 lives
Lung and bronchial cancer is the top killer cancer in the United States. Smoking and use of tobacco products are the major causes of it, and it strikes most often between the ages of 55 and 65, according to the NCI. There are two major types: non-small cell lung cancer, which is the most common, and small cell lung cancer, which spreads more quickly. More than 157,000 people are expected to die of lung and bronchial cancer in 2010.

2. Colon and rectal cancer: 268,783 lives
Colon cancer grows in the tissues of the colon, whereas rectal cancer grows in the last few inches of the large intestine near the anus, according to the National Cancer Institute. Most cases begin as clumps of small, benign cells called polyps that over time become cancerous. Screening is recommended to find the polyps before they become cancerous, according to the Mayo Clinic. Colorectal cancer is expected to kill more than 51,000 people in 2010.

3. Breast cancer: 206,983 lives
Breast cancer is the second most common cancer in women in the United States, after skin cancer, according to the Mayo Clinic. It can also occur in men — there were nearly 2,000 male cases between 2003 and 2008. The cancer usually forms in the ducts that carry milk to the nipple or the glands that produce the milk in women. Nearly 40,000 people are expected to die from breast cancer in 2010, according to the NCI.

4. Pancreatic cancer: 162,878 lives
Pancreatic cancer begins in the tissues of the pancreas, which aids digestion and metabolism regulation. Detection and early intervention are difficult because it often progressives stealthily and rapidly, according to the Mayo Clinic. Pancreatic cancer is expected to claim nearly 37,000 lives in 2010, according to the NCI.

5. Prostate cancer: 144,926 lives
This cancer is the second-leading cause of cancer deaths in men, after lung and bronchial cancer, according to the NCI. Prostate cancer usually starts to grow slowly in the prostate gland, which produces the seminal fluid to transport sperm. Some types remain confined to the gland, and are easier to treat, but others are more aggressive and spread quickly, according to the Mayo Clinic. Prostate cancer is expected to kill about 32,000 men in 2010, according to the NCI.

6. Leukemia: 108,740 lives
There are many types of leukemia, but all affect the blood-forming tissues of the body, such as the bone marrow and the lymphatic system, and result in an overproduction of abnormal white blood cells, according to the NCI. Leukemia types are classified by how fast they progress and which cells they affect; a type called acute myelogenous leukemia killed the most people — 41,714 — between 2003 and 2007. Nearly 22,000 people are expected to die from leukemia in 2010.

7. Non-Hodgkin lymphoma: 104,407 lives
This cancer affects the lymphocytes, a type of white blood cell, and is characterized by larger lymph nodes, fever and weight loss. There are several types of non-Hodgkin lymphoma, and they are categorized by whether the cancer is fast- or slow-growing and which type of lymphocytes are affected, according to the NCI. Non-Hodgkin lymphoma is deadlier than Hodgkin lymphoma, and is expected to kill more than 20,000 people in 2010.

8. Liver and intrahepatic bile duct cancer: 79,773 lives
Liver cancer is one of the most common forms of cancer around the world, but is uncommon in the United States, according to the Mayo Clinic. However, its rates in America are rising. Most liver cancer that occurs in the U.S. begins elsewhere and then spreads to the liver. A closely related cancer is intrahepatic bile duct cancer, which occurs in the duct that carries bile from the liver to the small intestine. Nearly 19,000 Americans are expected to die from liver and intrahepatic bile duct cancer in 2010, according to the NCI.

9. Ovarian cancer: 73,638 lives
Ovarian cancer was the No. 4 cause of cancer death in women between 2003 and 2007, according to the NCI. The median age of women diagnosed with it is 63. The cancer is easier to treat but harder to detect in its early stages, but recent research has brought light to early symptoms that may aid in diagnosis, according to the Mayo Clinic. Those symptoms include abdominal discomfort, urgency to urinate and pelvic pain. Nearly 14,000 women are expected to die of ovarian cancer in 2010, according to the NCI.

10. Esophageal cancer: 66,659 lives
This cancer starts in the cells that line the esophagus (the tube that carries food from the throat to the stomach) and usually occurs in the lower part of the esophagus, according to the Mayo Clinic. More men than women died from esophageal cancer between 2003 and 2007, according to the NCI. It is expected to kill 14,500 people in 2010.
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby crankyhead » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:55 pm

arnnatz wrote:Here's a look at the 10 cancers that killed the most people in the United States between 2003 and 2007, the most recent data available, according to the National Cancer Institute (NCI).



crankyhead wrote:The cure for cancer exists, it was discovered at the University of Alberta in 2007.



Funny stuff, that whole "You'd have to read the article to know that." game we're playing, wouldn't you agree Arnnatz?
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby crankyhead » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:56 pm

KALKAM wrote:Does DCA really work? Or is it a sometimes yes, sometimes no thing?



That's pretty much a description for every medical procedure/treatment that exists KAL.
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby arnnatz » Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:58 pm

crankyhead wrote:
arnnatz wrote:Here's a look at the 10 cancers that killed the most people in the United States between 2003 and 2007, the most recent data available, according to the National Cancer Institute (NCI).



crankyhead wrote:The cure for cancer exists, it was discovered at the University of Alberta in 2007.



Funny stuff, that whole "You'd have to read the article to know that." game we're playing, wouldn't you agree Arnnatz?


What was the headline again? Oh yeah The top 10 deadliest cancers — and why there's no cure
and what was the date of the article? Oh yeah updated 9/10/2010 3:58:54 PM ET

Now, if I do the math (which you apparently suck at) 2010 is about 3 years after 2007. Or is that different with canadian math? No offense Mooooooooooo
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby crankyhead » Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:02 am

arnnatz wrote:Here's a look at the 10 cancers that killed the most people in the United States between 2003 and 2007, the most recent data available, according to the National Cancer Institute (NCI).


Your updated article still presents it's facts, according to data from 2007. But you'd have to actually read the article you posted to know that. :thumbsup:
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby arnnatz » Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:10 am

Apparently your 3rd grade reading level doesn't allow you to comprehend anything. You might be interested in this link: http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-reading-comprehension/12306-how-improve-your-reading-comprehension-skills.html Unfortunately, moooooooo misspoke when he used the word intelligent when he spoke about you.
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Re: Global Warming and political lies.

Postby crankyhead » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:06 pm

2007 is the year the data in you article is pulled from. All the 2010 numbers are estimates. Although, you'd actually have to read the article you posted to know that.
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